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    Artificial contraception, history and scripture

    The claim was broad enough that it would be hard to prove 100%. But as far as I can tell it's actually true that Christianity generally objected to non-procreative sex until recently. There are both good and bad reasons for this. * In ancient times this was a genuinely feminist position. Both...
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    [Split] Very Liberal Christianity Abortion/Pro-Life posts

    Right. I think there are major Christian traditions (e.g. Catholics) that are pro-life consistently. However the combination of anti-abortion with Ayn Rand-ish selfishness is sufficiently visible in US politics that it's easy to see why many people might connect them. Particularly since a lot of...
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    Even without faith Jesus is still Savior

    The OP and some of the more recent posts seem to be about slightly different things. The OP and discussion up to about post 16 were about the "extent of the atonement." This is not about whether one can be saved without faith in Christ. That's the question of inclusivism. Rather, when people...
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    Very Liberal Christianity

    There is surely a distinction between justification and proper Christian action. God loves us no matter what, but he still requires us to obey him, and we’ll be accountable to him if we don’t. I’m not so sure it’s right to call that Law vs Gospel. First, Paul used Law to refer specifically to...
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    Issues in the Reformation: Part one - SALVATION

    I've been looking for other venues where modern theology could be discussed seriously. However I'm not sure this place is going to work any better. It does seem more peaceful though.
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    Issues in the Reformation: Part one - SALVATION

    I'm concerned about the initial definition. In Calvin's ordo salutis, faith unites us to Christ and brings two parallel results: justification and sanctification. The goal of salvation is to remake the world in the image of God. It includes both justification and sanctification. A lot of...
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    Being bad.

    It's an interesting idea, but one not consistent with my experience. For most of my life I've taught 7th and 8th grade Sunday School. I've known a number of kids that I'd call good. I don't know how all of them turned out, but several have turned out to be effective adults, and don't seem to...
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    What is the biggest issue facing churchs today

    This view has been common since I was first involved in Christianity in the 1960's. However the "relevant" versions of Christianity haven't done very well. Sociologists of religion have looked at it. I don't think there's a good answer to what is going. But my impression from the people I've...
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    Very Liberal Christianity

    I'm guessing that the OP wasn't interested in a discussion of the merits of homosexuality, so I'm not going to respond to that.
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    Very Liberal Christianity

    Yes. However it's worth noting that "liberal" can be used in several ways, such as political, social, and theological. While it's unlikely that a person who is very conservative theologically would accept liberal gender / sexual positions, those positions can and do coexist with moderate...
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    You don't need to believe in God to go to heaven

    That the current Pope is an inclusivist seems to be true. He holds that in common with many, if not most, Protestants. That he thinks those who believe the wrong thing about the eucharist are damned was not documented in the OP, nor in any other posting in this thread.
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    Poor Theology - Who needs context anyway?

    I agree about the need for context. But the most serious modern controversies within Christianity are about how to do that properly. Remember that gay-friendly exegesis is basically about context, that Paul was speaking of a specific approach to sexuality in the culture around him, and not...
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    The holy supper of our Lord.

    Yes. The first three posting describe the literal reading, that the bread and wine are Christ's body and blood. This is the Lutheran position. The postings from the CCC describe the Catholic reading, that the bread and wine are replaced by the body and blood. If you say to me that the bread and...
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    The holy supper of our Lord.

    The Lutheran interpretation of Christ's words seems the most literal. The bread and wine are Christ's body and blood. The Catholic interpretation says that the bread and wine have to vanish for the body and blood to become present. In my view the most controversial part of transubstantiation...
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    What brings you back to message boards?

    I'm tired of boards whose management put their own theology into the rules. But I can tell you from experience that having no rules turns out to be hard in the long run. A single person doing the wrong thing can change the tone of a whole forum to a surprising degree. The reason for having...
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    How far did the fall affect the imago Dei?

    Calvin's view is that the image isn't abolished, but corrupted. I would agree. In fact I don't know any theology that says the image completely vanishes. That would make us no longer human. After all, the image of God includes things like intelligence, will, and love. We're certainly not perfect...
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