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    What or Who is the Church?

    Yes there is Israel the Church, its the only Israel God saved, and promised to Save Isa 45:17 But Israel[church] shall be saved in the Lord with an everlasting salvation: ye shall not be ashamed nor confounded world without end.
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    What or Who is the Church?

    The people Israel had begun, the seed of Abraham, and thats the Church. They actually started before Abraham !
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    What or Who is the Church?

    Why do the jews of the physical nation of Israel call Abraham their father, didnt moses come after Abraham ?
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    What or Who is the Church?

    Again Israel the Church was in Gen 3, the physical nation israel began with moses
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    Who is "him that justifieth the ungodly"?

    The Elect of God does not receive a knowledge or spiritual comfort of their Justification before God before Faith, however all of them in spite of their knowledge of it, are free from any condemnation and eternal vengeance that belongs to their sins, even before they become believers, for they...
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    What or Who is the Church?

    The Church of Christ existed from Gen 3 onward. Thats the only people to be saved. If one doesnt belong to the Body of Christ, there simply isn't any Salvation for them. The Body of Christ, Israel the people of God is the Church.
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    What or Who is the Church?

    The Church, the Body of Christ Israel, has always been those individuals God foreknew in the purpose of Christ Rom 11:2 2 God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel saying, The same people...
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    What or Who is the Church?

    Yes it is true. The New Man is simply New Covenant Israel, the Body of Christ. The Church/Israel, of the OT had to wait until after Christ died to add its gentile populace to it, thats just how God arranged things.
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    Who is "him that justifieth the ungodly"?

    Okay, and your point ?
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    What or Who is the Church?

    lees Which is Israel with the new recognition of gentiles becoming part of the commonwealth of Israel. See in OT the Church, the Body of Christ was composed largely of elect jews, under the New Covenant administration that changes, Israel the Body of Christ will be composed of largely...
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    What or Who is the Church?

    lees It proves me right and you wrong, but you just cant see it, God hasnt opened your eyes yet and undeceive you
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    What or Who is the Church?

    lees Correct, but thats only the Israel God foreknew in Christ, they are one and the same. Yes they are Eph 2:11-14 11 Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands; 12...
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    Who is "him that justifieth the ungodly"?

    For God Justifieth the Ungodly ! Rom 4:5 5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness. This scripture is pretty plain, the sense of which tells us that God Justifies or is Justifying those who are in a state of the...
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    What or Who is the Church?

    The Church, the Body of Christ Israel, are those whom God foreknew, His People. Rom 11:1-2a I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin. 2 God hath not cast away his people[Israel] which he foreknew. The...
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    What or Who is the Church?

    As I stated you deceived.
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    What or Who is the Church?

    lees Is that all you have ? Then those verses don't say anything about spiritual Israel not being the Body of Christ, the Church. And unfortunately for you, you're not seeing Its only because you dont believe the Church and Israel are the same that you dont understand scripture the way I...
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    Who is "him that justifieth the ungodly"?

    Being Justified by His Grace ! Titus 3:7 7 That being justified by his grace, we [The Elect] should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life. This does refer back to Titus 1:1-2 Paul, a servant of God, and an apostle of Jesus Christ, according to the faith of God's elect, and the...
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    Has Christ established His Kingdom ?

    Does Jesus have a a established Kingdom where He reigns as King ? Listen to Jesus own words Jn 18:36 Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from...
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    Dispensationalism

    The carnal jews didn't realize that the redemption of Israel was spiritual and not carnal and material from their physical enemies Luke 24:21 Luke 24:21 "But we trusted that it had been He which should have redeemed Israel; and besides all this, today is the third day since these things were...
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    Who is "him that justifieth the ungodly"?

    No problem, but please when you respond to anyone's post make it intelligible so we can see how it fits in, thanks
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