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  1. Arsenios

    Save yourselves?

    I thank God that not one person on earth believes what you reject above... It says "Be you SAVED from this perverse generation" by believing and being Baptized into Christ... Some did so, and some did not... Some were saved, and some were not... NOBODY saved themselves... We cannot even...
  2. Arsenios

    What is God's role in salvation?

    Indeed it is, but only if properly understood... In fact, it can even be said that repentance is given by God, but only if properly understood... Such ways of expressing in fallen human language the meaning of metanoia are summaries of various kinds of events that themselves are not...
  3. Arsenios

    What is God's role in salvation?

    An important feature of repentance in connection with God... The Greek is more spiritually descriptive - metanoia means change-nous... The problem today in the West is that we do not have a co-equivalent term - Orthodox writers have had to simply transliterate the term "nous" to designate the...
  4. Arsenios

    What is God's role in salvation?

    Yes, they turned 180 degrees FROM idols... You CANNOT turn 180 degrees toward God... God is not 180 degrees from idols... Nor 179 degrees... Nor 183... Had they repented from God, they would have likewise have turned away from Him... To REPENT means to TURN AWAY FROM... It does not mean...
  5. Arsenios

    What is God's role in salvation?

    Metanoia does... Without it there is no Justification... Justification has nothing to do with your imagination... Arsenios
  6. Arsenios

    What is God's role in salvation?

    I only know metanoia - What is the other one? Arsenios
  7. Arsenios

    What is God's role in salvation?

    Turning from idols is repentance... Turning to God is the Faith... We are Called to repentance by God... We are Justified in the Faith of Christ by God in Baptism INTO Christ... We are Glorified by God in the workings of the Holy Spirit... Arsenios
  8. Arsenios

    What is God's role in salvation?

    I do too... Arsenios
  9. Arsenios

    What is God's role in salvation?

    The way it normally works is that, if you receive, say, the Apostolic Calling from God as did Paul, then the event is overwhelming, and you will immediately stop with your major sins, and in remembrance of God you now know, you will seek Him and call upon Him and conjoin yourself to Him insofar...
  10. Arsenios

    What is God's role in salvation?

    The Scripture here is clear - One must turn to God IN repentance... And clearly it does not say that repentance IS turning to God... One must already be repenting in order to turn to God... Repentance is one thing... Turning to God is another... Thank-you for that very helpful Scripture...
  11. Arsenios

    What is God's role in salvation?

    True repentance is never committing the same sin again... God DOES Call us to repentance, yes? And repentance is PRIOR TO Justification by God, yes? Arsenios
  12. Arsenios

    What is God's role in salvation?

    You have accurately depicted the difference... You cannot turn to a God in Whom you do not believe, and that believing takes a lot of forms... Yet repentance is FROM sin, and not TOWARD God... How do you REPENT TOWARD GOD?? I do know how one repents FROM sin... You just stop doing it...
  13. Arsenios

    What is God's role in salvation?

    Then why do you argue: "The non-believer can do nothing apart from God acting first."??? Because you argue that non-believers can only sin, and "can do nothing apart from God acting first." I agree it is a silly argument, but it is you, and not I, who is making it... Sin is the result of...
  14. Arsenios

    What is God's role in salvation?

    The unbeliever in my case certainly wanted nothing to do with so-called Christians who were perceived to be little more than judgmental hypocrites... Now granted, I am not a normal example, but AFTER I knew God, He let me think He was not the Christian God for 14 years... In fact, I knew for a...
  15. Arsenios

    What is God's role in salvation?

    So the non-believer cannot sin unless God causes him to sin? I mean, I think you are remembering Christ telling us that we love God because God first loved us... And I fear that you have turned that message into a philosophical principle of existence... Your assertion falls on its face when...
  16. Arsenios

    What is God's role in salvation?

    So what can a non-believer do to be saved? Josiah says absolutely nothing whatsoever ever... What say you? Arsenios
  17. Arsenios

    Adam and Eve thrown out of garden for their protection?

    Yes... Those curses were made in love for the future Salvation of man... They were not made by God out of spite and malice... Tell God His is malicious... (But do not, Please!) Give a man a life of ease in which he has no work needed, and you will find a spoiled child... The Latin...
  18. Arsenios

    What is God's role in salvation?

    You answer to the "You gotta repent" is "You don't gotta do nuthin'!" I got-ya! :) So if ya ain't already Saved, ain't nuttin' you can do about it... Ya gotta wait and do nuttin' until you are saved... If'n ya ain't been saved yet, fergittabout it! Got it! Arsenios
  19. Arsenios

    Save yourselves?

    Is this a Lutheran site? I mean, if you need to argue for our existence being by God's Grace, you are in the really really shallow end of the wading pool... Never not even one time ever... Why accuse me without even citing the words I use? Are we making a b-movie or something here? You...
  20. Arsenios

    Save yourselves?

    You accuse falsely... Not to mention ungrammatically, mind you! :) Arsenios
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