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You must see that if God judges them for a sin, then that sin for which they are judged was not forgiven on the cross. A forgiven sin cannot be judged ... it was forgiven (that is why Jesus bore the judgement for OUR sins).
That is why we say "The Cross was SUFFICIENT for all, and EFFECTIVE...
As a side note, most of the claims referenced by the above quote were actually claims against ANNIHILATIONISM. There are more verses for eternal punishment than those that describe or imply the existence of a soul between death and resurrection ...
[Mat 18:8]
[Mat 8:12]
[Mat 13:42]
[Mat 13:50]...
LIFE, DEATH and LIFE ...
[1Co 11:27-32 NASB] 27 Therefore whoever eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner, shall be guilty of the body and the blood of the Lord. 28 But a man must examine himself, and in so doing he is to eat of the bread and drink of the cup. 29 For...
I chose to respond in a new topic rather than offer yet another excuse for some posters to avoid responding to the original question in the previous topic.
First, let's define the word "SOUL" that I intend to demonstrate Scriptural support for surviving death.
PSYCHE [G5590] ψυχή psychḗ...
Ooo, ooo ... can I play, too?
THE BAD NEWS:
[Rom 1:18-21 NASB] For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, because that which is known about God is evident within them; for God made it evident to...
...and failed epically.
[Mat 7:13-14 NIV] 13 "Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. 14 But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it.
[Mat 22:14 NIV] 14 "For many...
Since the rest of the surrounding verses that provide CONTEXT mean nothing, let’s take a different approach ...
[Mat 7:23 NIV] 23 Then I will tell them plainly, 'I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!'
If he NEVER knew you, he didn’t die for your sins.
[1Co 10:1-13 NIV] 1 For I do not want you to be ignorant of the fact, brothers and sisters, that our ancestors were all under the cloud and that they all passed through the sea. 2 They were all baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea. 3 They all ate the same spiritual food 4 and drank...
Yes, let Scripture interpret scripture.
[1Jo 2:1-2, 19, 22-23, 26-27, 29 ESV] 1 My little children, I am writing these things to you so that you may not sin. But if anyone does sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous. 2 He is the propitiation for our sins, and not...
God said ...
[Rom 9:19-24 NASB] 19 You will say to me then, "Why does He still find fault? For who resists His will?" 20 On the contrary, who are you, O man, who answers back to God? The thing molded will not say to the molder, "Why did you make me like this," will it? 21 Or does not the potter...
Is there any scripture that even suggests that someone not “chosen” can reach glorification?
You speak as if the fact that God has not choose them (which you have admitted scripture teaches that some are not chosen) has no impact on their eternal destiny.
[Rom 8:28-30 NIV] 28 And we know that...
Let's try this "apologetics" thing ... starting at your first 'proof text' verses:
[Jhn 3:14-18 NIV] 14 Just as Moses lifted up the snake in the wilderness, so the Son of Man must be lifted up, 15 that everyone who believes may have eternal life in him." 16 For God so loved the world that he...
[Mat 7:21-23 NIV] 21 "Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your...
One small one, just for clarification ...
You said “So - what is the shed blood of Christ able to produce? The salvation of all who believe.”
Is it a fair statement to claim that Jesus died on the cross to atone for “all who believe”, making his sacrifice “effective” (actually producing the...
Let’s say tat your 5 year old says “If you love me, then you will buy me a hippopotamus for Christmas.” If you then do not buy them a hippopotamus for Christmas, does that prove that your child was bad and did not deserve a hippopotamus or that you do not love your child?
Neither. It proves...
I would not go so far as to say that someone with no evidence of increase in the Fruit of the Spirit is unsaved, that requires knowledge and sight beyond what I possess (the ability to see the soul of another through the eyes of God). However, just as I would caution a man who drinks Vodka for...
ef·fec·tu·al
/əˈfek(t)SH(o͞o)əl/
adjective
(of something inanimate or abstract) successful in producing a desired or intended result; effective.
How can the "sacrifice of Christ" be EFFECTUAL for all if "not all are/will be saved"? Isn't that exactly the opposite of "effectual"?
The...
I am not looking to argue, just making sure I understand your position ... GOD gives faith, and people have the power to reject the gift (give it back, as it were) through deliberate, unrepented sin.
Is that a fair understanding of your position?