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    Elders vs Deacons

    Your church could be wonderful, or the staff has a private entrance and they park near it. ;) I may be cynical, but after 5 plus decades of life, I find that people, as a rule, are people.
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    Baptism - Is it Innert or Effectual?

    “Nothing” is too little and “everything” is too much. There are legitimate differences between what a Lutheran and Mennonite (or Baptist) believe “baptism” accomplishes, but this topic is tending towards extremes. One could ask what partaking the “body and blood” (bread and wine) accomplishes...
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    Elders vs Deacons

    I think the same criticism applies to human beings in all titled positions. Chad, an interim pastor at a church looking for a permanent pastor, once said that if it was up to him, the reserved parking space by the front door to the church would not be for the paid clergy but for the lady that...
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    Baptism - Is it Innert or Effectual?

    You go too far, sir, in calling Irresistible Grace a “false doctrine”. That is a charge of heresy leveled against all who hold that belief. [Jhn 6:44 NASB] 44 "No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up on the last day. Did Jesus lie when he said the...
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    Baptism - Is it Innert or Effectual?

    A. It is always convenient to have a Lutheran decide what the available choices are for a Particular Baptist to believe. It saves me from the need to bother expressing what I ACTUALLY DO believe. B. That you find the question of the real difference between our beliefs on Baptism “nonsensical”...
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    Baptism - Is it Innert or Effectual?

    Does a Lutheran infant also receive those things when he/she is baptized? Is it unreasonable to characterize those things which you described as “received” as “salvation” (for an adult)? If the answer to both of the above questions is ‘Yes’, then is it inaccurate to say that you believe that...
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    Can the Faith of Parents Save Their Children?

    Those are neither my words nor my beliefs. I am suggesting that the question that should be asked is: What did Circumcision accomplish for the Glory of God?
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    Baptism - Is it Innert or Effectual?

    So do I. I disagree, but to discuss what I BELIEVE on this topic would be off-topic since this topic is about a belief that I do not hold. Here is where I must leave YOU and any that hold the ‘belief’ you are looking for someone to slaughter in your killing field to carry on without me. The...
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    Can the Faith of Parents Save Their Children?

    I think that the question misses the point of both the Old and New Covenants. Neither Covenant is first and foremost about the “pot”. Both Covenants are about the Glory of the Potter above all else.
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    Baptism - Is it Innert or Effectual?

    See post 51 for my response to the OP. I was avoiding it until Albion started making noises like he wanted the board to pursue some higher ground, but the fact that the conversation led nowhere suggests that there is no real desire to change the status quo. I am not a 16th Century anabaptist...
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    Baptism - Is it Innert or Effectual?

    So I went and reread this whole stupid topic from the beginning. What the heck are you talking about? You only made 1 post on this topic yesterday. Here it is ... Where has my question “been rejected and a more accurate explanation of the sacrament given back” in the above post? So where...
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    Baptism - Is it Innert or Effectual?

    What post number? I can honestly tell you that I clearly remember seeing a rejection of the claim that baptism confers salvation, but cannot remember seeing an explanation of what it is that baptism does confer. Not that I would ever bind you to the opinions of another, but does Arsenios’...
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    Baptism - Is it Innert or Effectual?

    This is what we “Believers Baptism” advocates thought Paedobaptism/Covenant Baptism believers thought. Then we get accused of misrepresenting you if we suggest that you believe that the water baptism of an infant accomplishes what you just described. So for the record, do YOU believe that what...
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    Baptism - Is it Innert or Effectual?

    Sorry for the misunderstanding. Yes, Lutherans are real Christians. For that matter, I believe that Roman Catholics and Eastern Orthodox are also real Christians. At lest to the extent that anyone is a real Christian based on church affiliation ... ultimately, Jesus decides who the real...
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    Baptism - Is it Innert or Effectual?

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    Baptism - Is it Innert or Effectual?

    Now if we could get a “real Christian” (I mean ‘traditional Christian’) to just explain what it is that they believe Baptism does accomplish so we can end this confusion about whether God uses Baptism as a means of Salvation or not. I know they believe it is “effective”, I just have no clue...
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    Can the Faith of Parents Save Their Children?

    Your Title of the topic asks if the faith of parents can “save” their children, which is a word with special meaning in Christianity that goes far beyond a simple ‘blessing’. The difference between the Title and the Opening Post is a source of confusion regarding your intent.
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    Baptism - Is it Innert or Effectual?

    As an interesting aside to this question, I may believe that God CAN do anything, but there is also some scripture that suggests that our faith (or lack of faith) impacts what God chooses to do: [Matthew 13:58] And He did not do many miracles there because of their unbelief. [Mark 6:5-6] And...
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    Baptism - Is it Innert or Effectual?

    Your posts frequently confuse me. I would assume that you believe baptism to be ‘effectual’ (as Josiah put it) rather than ‘Inert’, but here you complain that you are accused of believing that being baptized confers salvation. What exactly is it that you believe ‘effectual’ baptism confers if...
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    Baptism - Is it Innert or Effectual?

    I do not, but his response to my earlier post suggests that he may. So I asked HIM for clarification of HIS beliefs. He suggested a link between human belief and the effectiveness of baptism.
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