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  1. Arsenios

    ORTHODOX STUFF

    And this is how we die... At least this one monk... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OePqt2xXJYk Arsenios
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    Baptism - Is it Innert or Effectual?

    That is a good place to leave the discussion... You understand that God's Gift cannot be lost no matter what a man may do... I understand that to keep the Gift man must persevere in the Faith to the end... Does this sum it up? Arsenios
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    Baptism - Is it Innert or Effectual?

    Not even close... We are simply worlds apart in our understanding... Vaya con Dio... Arsenios
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    Baptism - Is it Innert or Effectual?

    Absolutely not - Just the reverse... You still have to walk the talk... I am speaking from the EOC perspective, which is foreign to you... OSAS is totally foreign to the mind of the Ancient Faith... Salvation is to be lived or it will be lost... As a theanthropic member of the Body of...
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    Baptism - Is it Innert or Effectual?

    OK... No... No... No... No - The dog can still return to feast on its own vomit... He will be judged more harshly than had he never been Baptized... viz from Her 10: 26-32 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more...
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    Baptism - Is it Innert or Effectual?

    Fourth paragraph first sentence... AND... Last paragraph first sentence... Would you like me to copy and paste them for you? Arsenios
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    Baptism - Is it Innert or Effectual?

    Do you want me to quote the answer from my post? Or do you want to re-read my post? Arsenios
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    Baptism - Is it Innert or Effectual?

    That Union IS the New Creation... AND... It affirms human sovereignty in this life... Because God is Sovereign... So what happens is increased responsibility... To whom much is given, much is expected... God will come again to judge the Living and the dead... There will be two standards of...
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    Baptism - Is it Innert or Effectual?

    Let us therefore, Beloved, peal forth the Bells and Heraldic Trumpets! And proudly proclaim the answer to your question for the recording studios! ...yes... It is T.H.E. most important event one will undergo in one's entire life on earth... Fo in it you become hypostatically conjoined with...
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    Baptism - Is it Innert or Effectual?

    Indeed is Apostolic Baptism so central that it is included in the Apostolic Discipling of the Nations by Christ Himself, together with teaching all that Christ had commanded... Without Baptism into Christ, there is no Christianity... Arsenios
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    Baptism - Is it Innert or Effectual?

    Citing the pre-Nicene Fathers is a good thing... A.
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    Baptism - Is it Innert or Effectual?

    Thank-you for our, our, and us... Arsenios
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    Baptism - Is it Innert or Effectual?

    Never! He confessed Christ in the agony of the cross... The Church made that accounting from the beginnings, so important was Baptism into Christ... The Work of Christ Baptizing us through Water into Himself enters us into Christ... In this New Birth, we must persevere to the end, in order...
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    Baptism - Is it Innert or Effectual?

    Thought you would never ask! Water washed away all mankind prior to Noah, so evil was that generation... Water saved the Israelites from death in their flight from Egypt... Christ inaugurated Baptism for His Followers in the Jordan by John... The Bible tells us: The Baptismal Waters are the...
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    Baptism - Is it Innert or Effectual?

    Does Jesus Christ effect a magical change in a person's life? Was Jesus Christ baptized in the Waters of the Jordan? Are we to follow Christ? Are we Baptized INTO Christ according to God's Word? Arsenios
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    Can the Faith of Parents Save Their Children?

    Christ spoke KJV English, right??? Was Christ baptized in water? Or not??? Was Christ baptized in water? Or not??? Is Christ God? Or not??? Was Christ baptized in water? Or not??? Was Christ our God Baptized in the WATER of the Jordan in God's word? Or not??? Are we to FOLLOW...
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    Can the Faith of Parents Save Their Children?

    The OP did not ask if the faith of the parents IS the faith of their children... It asks IF the Faith of the Parents CAN save their children... Many Christian children have been martyred... Most were being discipled by their Christian parents... You have to differentiate between personal...
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    Baptism - Is it Innert or Effectual?

    Baptism - Is it Innert or Effectual? It is certainly not much for those who think it is not much... However- For the Orthodox, Not So! Menno, I am sorry your baptisms are of men and for men... Ours of of God and for God... I can only agree with your baptismal assessment of your own...
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    Baptism - Is it Innert or Effectual?

    One's thoughts ARE the box... A.
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