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Is there any implication in that question that you think beliefs can be obtained by simply consciously engendering them?

I was merely commenting on the relevance of your response to the specific question from Lucian. It would also be a question for a different issue.

I don't see how your reasons show what a person has to lose by accepting Jesus as the Messiah?

Jazzy, re: "As the text recounts, God saw wickedness within humans and sent a global inundation. Because Noah was righteous, God instructed him to build an ark for his family and save two of every beast, bird and creeping thing." Actually, verse 7:2 is more specific - it was 2 each of every...

You think incorrectly. That's an issue for a different topic.

To what are you referring by "it". That's what I'm doing.

Well, the issue of the topic is the commonality of saying that a daytime or a night time would be involved with an event when no part of a daytime or no part of a night time could be. I'm not really familiar with any studies which address that.

And remember, the "someone new" needs to be someone who believes the crucifixion took place on the 6th day of the week with a 1st day of the week resurrection, and who thinks that the "heart of the earth" is referring to the tomb, and who tries to explain the lack of a 3rd night by saying that...

Sorry, when you said that - "In life, there are all sorts of erroneous beliefs, and no one here is saying that the Holy Spirit placed them into anybody's mind" - I glossed over the word erroneous. And as usual in forums, the topic goes off topic at some point, sometimes as early the first...

Maybe someone new visiting this topic may know of examples.

Lum - Where is the first cigarette mentioned in the Bible? Abner - I don't know. Lum - In Genesis where it says that Rebekah lit off a camel.

That would be an issue for a different topic. Maybe you might start one.

But they weren't the examples requested.

It wasn't. At least not if by "Christian Faith" you meant explaining what it is. Josiah wrote -It's not. It is the gift of God. The Holy Spirit does it. I assumed by "it" that he was referring to belief/faith, and that it is a gift which is given and not something that a person engenders...

I think you just did that yourself.

So, to what do you think Josiah was referring when he wrote - - "The Holy Spirit does it" with regard to the obtaining of beliefs?

But at the moment when you realized that you were wrong, what would the state of your mind be with regard to having a belief in unicorns?

So you're saying that if someone believes for instance that aliens (the ET kind) actually exist, that the supreme being placed the belief in the person's mind?

Uh, ok - but what does that have to do with my comment that you quoted?

If beliefs can simply be engendered by consciously choosing to have them, then evidence should not be necessary. But even if it were necessary, how would one know when they had it? What would be the indicator that would allow someone to say - "At the moment I don't believe that 'X' exists, but...