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I lived in Detroit...the heart of Detroit. We were the minority there, and we paid dearly for it. Black people harassed us constantly, telling us we should move. Our house got egged every halloween. My son couldn't play in the backyard because of the punks who would try to climb our fence and...

Well, of course he can't produce an actual scripture. We all know there is none.

That's from a letter Paul wrote to the Corinthians and it has nothing to do with Mary. He's referring to Jesus as the bridegroom and the church as the bride. And it has nothing to do with sex.

"Dutch Centre for Intangible Cultural Heritage" What the what? Intangible Cultural Heritage?

The gospels only say that she was a virgin and that she gave birth to Jesus. While the scriptures are silent on the matter of her having sex again, there are several references that point to the idea that she would've had sex with Joseph, her husband, and that she did have other children...

Thank you all for the kind welcomes!

But we know that she didn't live and work in the temple her whole life. We know that she was with Jesus quite a bit in his ministry. It's still thin air, MC. C'mon, four gospels and none of them mention this?

I have enough of a leg to stand on as you do. My church didn't create a dogmatic doctrine out of thin air about it, though.

That's a rather obtuse argument. Note that I didn't say SHE was sullied. I said her reputation was. You'd be naive to believe that people weren't counting on their fingers just like people in my family did. And in her case, the counting would definitely lead to speculation that she was pregnant...

It has relevancy to your assertion that God would have her get married to protect her reputation. Her reputation was already sullied at that point in time. People talk. You're right, nothing is impossible with God. What does that have to do with God requiring Joseph to marry a woman who he...

Everything gets cheaper. When I worked at Home Depot, I used to have a demonstration handy for upper management. Over the course of three years our bags had changed so much. They'd gotten a bit smaller, and way skinnier. I showed what heavy objects we could put in the older bags and then what...

With my first marriage, I conceived on our honeymoon, and then my son decided to come a good two and half months early. I STILL have people in my family who swear up and down I was pregnant before I got married. See my point? There's no scriptural backing to God wanting to protect Mary's...

Be as open-minded or close-minded as you like, so long as you are matching up with scriptures.

Her reputation was already bad (Joseph was gonna leave her) when she was pregnant before she was married, so I don't buy that at all.

My son recently got pulled over for having a broken taillight, and when we finally got a chance to look at the car, there was a taillight and two other broken lights back there, one of which was a brakelight. I think it happens more often than we think, because honestly it's hard to sometimes...

I collect them, hence the name. I have one that is worth $500! :-)

Then it's not a race issue, it's a heart issue.

So it was perfectly okay to be married to God (that's a new one) AND Joseph? And can you give me a good reason why God decided to have Joseph marry her but then deny both of them one of the main blessings of marriage? Did he tell Joseph that it was going to be like that? Or was it a bait and...

I have seen it once in my lifetime. It was done rightly and correctly - following the parameters of Matthew 18, and involved a party unwilling to repent for a sin that was brought to their attention. It took roughly 7-8 months for the whole thing to happen.

Because it's often democrat-controlled cities that are failing. Look at Detroit and Flint as good examples. How many times has Detroit been bailed out?