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I clearly state in posts 4 and 6 that both cherubim and seraphim are described as having wings in the Bible. That was never in dispute.

Sorry that I did not understand your point.

Again, (1) nowhere does the Bible states that angels have wings, and (2) nowhere in the Bible are cherubim or seraphim referred to as malachim\angeloi. Moreover, that hierarchical structure comes from Pseudo-Dionysius the Areopagite (ca. A.D. 5th/6th) NOT the Bible.

Give the facts that (1) nowhere does the Bible states that angels have wings, and (2) nowhere in the Bible are cherubim or seraphim referred to as malachim\angeloi, your claim has no scriptural support.

In your example we have cherubim and wings. However there is no mention of malach\angelos in that passage. As I said above, nowhere does the Bible states that angels have wings. In the Bible both cherubim and seraphim are described as having wings. However, they are not referred to as...

Nowhere does the Bible states that angels have wings. In the Bible both cherubim and seraphim are described as having wings. However, they are not referred to as malach\angelos.

There is no real evidence for the Saturnalia\Christmas link. https://stream.org/born-on-christmas-day-calculating-christmas-day/ https://www.touchstonemag.com/archives/article.php?id=16-10-012-v

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Indeed some were but no one said he was a heretic to my knowledge. If you know of some by all means name them. Cite the primary sources. WHERE EXACTLY does Jerome make those claims? Be specific. There is no evidence that is true. Cite the primary sources where that is stated. Where in the...

Then name the manuscripts. It is really comical that you really believe that. There are over 5000 manuscripts and not one has the divine name. No Church Father ever claim the divine name was removed from the N.T. and they quote the text thousands of time. Funny they NEVER EVER mention such a...

Your feeble attempt to avoid what I actually stated and change the subject is hysterically funny. I stated: (1) Jerome knew and\or studied Latin, Greek, Syriac, Hebrew, and Aramaic. That is a fact. (2) Neither the Catholic nor Orthodox church condemn him as a heretic, rather they consider...

That is only your opinion. Jerome knew and\or studied Latin, Greek, Syriac, Hebrew, and Aramaic. Neither the Catholic nor Orthodox church condemn him as a heretic, rather they consider him a saint. His achievements have been hailed by Catholic, Orthodox, and protestant scholars. I firmly...

Really! Provide the Hebrew manuscript evidence.

I don't care what they do. I care about the facts, the evidence.

Jerome often tells us what and why he did what he did. If you had read the sources you would know that.

False! We have others translations of the O.T. for example the Syriac and Coptic. Also we have manuscripts from the Dead Sea Scrolls which predate the masoretic text. False! There was no masoretic text in the 4th century. The masoretes started work ca. 6th century A.D. Consequently Jerome...

Again I never said you did. You said they were equal and I am asking people to think about that claim. I encourage everyone to ask themselves if it makes sense to think that non-canonical and canonical writings are equal, on the same level in any way. Yet you still miss the point. You have...

Good idea. Rufinus first line: "There are other books besides these not indeed included in the Canon..." Athanasius: "But it should be known that there are also other books which our fathers call not Canonical but Ecclesiastical..." Just as I have repeatedly said both Athanasius and Rufinus...