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    Isaiah 53 from a Jewish perspective

    Broadly I agree. Their perspective is that the Bible (the OT) is not about the savior to come, but rather the story of their people and how they are to live. Conversely, it is hard to view the scriptures from a non-Christian view, making it easy to ask the question in reverse. Thus making this...
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    Isaiah 53 from a Jewish perspective

    Can any one help out here? I will be honest, this is written in a very convincing manner, as is the intention of course. It does a very good job of refuting the Christian view of Jesus in Isaiah 53. I won't copy/paste the whole thing due to copyright, but I would sincerely appreciate some...
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    Prayers of intercession and requests to God

    Ah, ok, thank you. My quote was more directed at the other member, not so much in relation to what you wrote.
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    Prayers of intercession and requests to God

    Yes, that is my mistake, I do mean "since". That makes a lot more sense, thank you.
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    Prayers of intercession and requests to God

    So, let's say I develop a debilitating condition. If I don't pray for healing I should not think God will heal me? What if I consistently pray prayers of praise, but not prayers of intercession for specific things, the implication is that God desires us to praise him (and well we should do), but...
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    Prayers of intercession and requests to God

    If God the Father is Omnipotent/Sovereign/All knowing God then how is it that our prayers have any effect or affect on the outcome of Earthly matters? If the outcome is already known, why make prayers of intercession or requests? Praying prayers of praise and thanksgiving make sense, but what of...
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    The need for Christ's sacrifice

    Ha, that is what I get for reading comprehension, I mistakenly thought you posted the verse again. :)
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    The need for Christ's sacrifice

    Meditating more on the overall arc of the scriptures from the OT through the NT and how it all so eloquently points to Jesus - I think this is probably the most important part to me. While some of the questions I have may not be answered, or may be incompletely answered, the reality is that...
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    The need for Christ's sacrifice

    Care to elaborate how it is mistaken? Valid point, thank you for making it.
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    The need for Christ's sacrifice

    Love that, very good point.
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    The need for Christ's sacrifice

    It's tough, especially as Judaism does have answers for most anything that Christianity throws at it - if those answers were not compelling enough then every Jew would believe. I am pretty familiar with the different Atonement Theories, the issue is that as you say, they each fall short. From...
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    The need for Christ's sacrifice

    This is all very helpful, I think that I can live without knowing the why exactly. The case for Jesus being THE Messiah is just too strong to ignore, the entire arc of the OT, over thousands of years pointing to him is very strong.
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    The need for Christ's sacrifice

    OK, I am starting to "get" it, I think. So, the need of a Messiah is fulfilled in Christ. Great. The need (as commanded) for sacrifice is fulfilled by the Suffering Messiah, Jesus. The entire OT points towards Jesus who fulfills all the stories and prophesies about the Suffering Messiah and will...
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    The need for Christ's sacrifice

    I want to thank everyone, this is such a tough subject for me, and I probably am not expressing it as well as I want to. The words and emotions are difficult. I could simply leave it at "it is what it is" and that is what I have done for the last 5 or so years, but it just keeps itching at my...
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    The need for Christ's sacrifice

    Thank you for your kind words. :) But let us back up further, if we leave everything the same and take out the need for a crucifixion we basically end up with Rabbinic Judaism. And Rabbinic Judaism has a way to scripturally explain how sin is dealt with.
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    The need for Christ's sacrifice

    True, but it is taught that when sacrifice cannot be done, such as now as there is no Temple, the prayers are enough. When it is possible, it is necessary. As the Psalms say: For thou delightest not in a sacrifice that I would bring; thou hast no pleasure in burnt offering. The sacrifices of God...
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    The need for Christ's sacrifice

    Bear with me on this please, and I also ask for kindness in your replies. I am a Christian and I do believe in what the Creeds teach and in the Bible. That said, I have a question that I have been struggling with for some time. As God is all powerful and all knowing, why was there a need for God...
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