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UAB's who are the people in Rev 7:9? If saints, did Christ atone for their sins?

UABs....I'm still waiting on an answer to my question about the elect. Who are they? And how do they attain to that status?

Know my entire position is Rev 7:9. Why do you persist in putting words into my mouth? I never said Christ died for some or few.

Hey, you UAB's how come Jesus in John 17 limited his prayer to the elect and excluded the very world that you insist he died for? Any rationale, coherent explanations?

And by the way what is "L dogma"? Can any of you UABs explain your own terms or phrases?

Yeah but Mat 20:28 also doesn't say that Jesus died for all. So....there's that. But is does say MANY. Score 1 for me and 0 for you.

There's NO biblical contradiction between Many and Few because Few isn't taught in the bible. The contradiction is but figment of your overwrought imagination. And because your knowledge of scripture is sadly, as limited as the atonement, you fail to take into account the deaths of all the...

Since there is no passage in scripture that teaches universal atonement for all, without exception, on this little green planet we should not be surprised to find quite a few passages that narrows down for us WHO the "many" (Isa 53:12; Mat 26:28; Mk 10:45; Lk 22:20; Heb 9:28) are for whom Christ...

See how you misrepresent me. I definitely believe All means All -- just not only in the quantitative sense. And when have I questioned "exact numbers"? Can you quote me or are you fibbing about me again? Also, I don't care what you allege about predestinarians's beliefs. I know what MY...

There is no verse for "only some few". Jesus indeed died for MANY -- all known by the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. When you find the verse that says Christ died for each and every person in the world, then quote it.

. What in the world is the L invention? Explain, please. But we do agree that Many doesn't = few. So, where do you come up with Few? You're the one who keeps insisting it must be an"unknown few" - when it is neither! Jesus knows all his elect. And that's the only thing that matters! And...

Glad you enjoyed my post. I actually post more for the benefit of like-minded lurkers or participants with the hopes of exposing them to different avenues of thought. Re whose seed Adam was would take us off-topic -- that would really be a rabbit trail, especially since the subject is not an...

Humor me. Elaborate on how faith would undermine the Doctrines of Grace, generally, or the Atonement more specifically. Also, what part of my 915 didn't you get?

I found many that limit the extent of his death. You need to pay attention. Many doesn't = each and every person. See my 948. I also provided several passages that speak to a PARTICULAR atonement, i.e. that Christ died for a particular people, such as his elect, his sheep, his friends, etc...

Again, read 1 John. Note very carefully how many time John uses the word "know" in that epistle. If anyone claims to be a Christian and his life is essentially and substantially aligned with what John wrote, then he can KNOW God has done a work in his life. But if not, and his life is...

Well, that's because the question we're discussing is the EXTENT of the Atonement. We're not debating how people must respond to the gospel. The immediate question at hand is: For whom did Christ die? You raise a red herring to distract us and get us off on another tangent. And besides just...

Absolutely by the grace of God! And the entire epistle of 1 John tells me how I can KNOW this. What about you?

Okay...the other day I basically promised that I would tackle one of UAB's most cherished "proof texts", i.e. Heb 2:9. I have already taken considerable wind out of their sail re this passage by pointing to a very obvious fact (except to them) that the term "everyone" is not quantified in the...

Never said it was. And I never ignored faith. More false innuendos/claims. Anyhoo -- it can never be said of you that you have missed your calling....................in apologetics. :ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO: P.S. Do you think the folks in Rev 7:9 are saints? If so, did Christ...

What do you think v. 13 is saying: That he didn't lay down his life for anyone? Also, are you saying that Jesus' atoning death will only accrue to them on the basis of their obedience? That they must earn their salvation? They must merit it on the basis of their works obedience? I thought...