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  1. Lucian

    Is something good because God commands it or does God command it because it is good?

    Yes, the clay is very qualified to judge the potter. Let me know when you want to actually have a conversation.
  2. Lucian

    Is something good because God commands it or does God command it because it is good?

    But can you tell me which post was meant to actually engage in dialogue? Cause it appears that none of them were. You have not addressed any of my counterarguments, and you have moved on to other topics of discussion, that are unrelated to this thread.
  3. Lucian

    Is something good because God commands it or does God command it because it is good?

    Are you a bot? :unsure:
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    Is something good because God commands it or does God command it because it is good?

    Recommending books is never useful in a theological conversation. I could recommend you dozens of books that debunk Christianity. I'm sure you would not read any of them. No, ethics and morality are not different things. Ethics and morality are used interchangeably in the study of philosophy...
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    Is something good because God commands it or does God command it because it is good?

    The Continuing Evasion: Doubling Down on the "Muscle-Flexing" Fallacy You have spent this entire second reply repeating the exact same theme: a relentless barrage of proof-texts aimed at labeling anyone who disagrees with your theology as "spiritually deaf," "stiff-necked," or a "scoffer."...
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    Is something good because God commands it or does God command it because it is good?

    The Core Deception: The "Spiritual Gatekeeping" Fallacy Before diving into your specific text, your entire rebuttal must be recognized for what it is: a textbook ad hominem evasion wrapped in theological language. You are not actually engaging with logic, philosophy, or the text; you are...
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    Is something good because God commands it or does God command it because it is good?

    1. The Essential Predicates and Circularity Fallacy The analogy of "fire is hot" actually defeats your argument. "Hot" is a descriptive physical property that humans can independently experience, measure, and understand separate from any specific fire. If we did not know what heat felt like...
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    Is something good because God commands it or does God command it because it is good?

    We're finally getting somewhere. If goodness is fundamentally identical to God's nature, the statement "God is good" merely means "God is like God" or "God possesses God's own characteristics". If "good" is defined by whatever God's nature happens to be, then saying "God is good" offers no...
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    Is something good because God commands it or does God command it because it is good?

    But first we must come to an agreement on what good is. What is the ontological meaning of good? Is good something that God decides or does good exist independently of God, as an intrinsic aspect of reality?
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    Did the Jewish prisoner who wrote this go to hell?

    Again with the "We"? Who is this "we"? You Christians keep talking about humanity as if it was a hive mind. We were born with individual, independent consciousnesses and ridiculously different abilities. There is no "we". And you can clearly see that even people who did follow God's direction...
  11. Lucian

    Is something good because God commands it or does God command it because it is good?

    No. Holy merely means "set apart", not good. Something holy is something unique, not like others, separated in nature from the rest. It has nothing to do with goodness. This is the basic theological understanding. In the Old Testament, the word means separateness, sacredness, or being cut out...
  12. Lucian

    Did the Jewish prisoner who wrote this go to hell?

    If all MUST come in front of Jesus for judgement, there is no free will, because some people would exercise their free will to refuse to come before Jesus for judgement. Moreover, if free will ends after our physical death, then free will was merely a curse on humanity because it brought suffering.
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    Is something good because God commands it or does God command it because it is good?

    Does God get to decide what is good, or does goodness exist an an intrinsic part of God that God has no control over and He merely commands good things because goodness itself decides that they are good?
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    Did the Jewish prisoner who wrote this go to hell?

    So much for free will...
  15. Lucian

    Pure evil.

    Pure evil.
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