World The Realms or the USA, who was correct SCRIPTURALLY?

[IACOBVS]

I maintain that the Declaration of Independence by the 13 middle North American colonies (there were many to the north and south which remained loyal (scripurally) to His Majesty George III) was wicked, illegal, and godless. I believe that the reason the the USA has been at war for almost all of its existence is because it has been in rebellion against authority and God himself, and it's founding, evil racism. I am thankful that Canada and other Commonwealth Realms such as Australia and New Zealand were wiser and found peaceable and pro-life means to find a way to become independent of the UK Parliament and still stay faithful to their Embodiment of the Nation (very loosely translated as Head of State) ... and not pledge their allegiance to a patchwork bit of cloth that really means nothing but wickedness to almost everyone on the planet except for the tiny percentage of people who live in the country that expects its citizens to worship that rag. God save the Queen!

 

[psalms 91]

USA

 

[MoreCoffee]

I maintain that the Declaration of Independence by the 13 middle North American colonies (there were many to the north and south which remained loyal (scripurally) to His Majesty George III) was wicked, illegal, and godless. I believe that the reason the the USA has been at war for almost all of its existence is because it has been in rebellion against authority and God himself, and it's founding, evil racism. I am thankful that Canada and other Commonwealth Realms such as Australia and New Zealand were wiser and found peaceable and pro-life means to find a way to become independent of the UK Parliament and still stay faithful to their Embodiment of the Nation (very loosely translated as Head of State) ... and not pledge their allegiance to a patchwork bit of cloth that really means nothing but wickedness to almost everyone on the planet except for the tiny percentage of people who live in the country that expects its citizens to worship that rag. God save the Queen!

You're being naughty again. I liked your post because it made me chuckle. I cannot wholly agree with your conclusions but the USA did rebel and the consequence has been many wars and great suffering. Some good too has come of their rebellion nevertheless a peaceful departure from the crown would have been far better.

 

[psalms 91]

This nation was founded under God and at least for a good part of that time was richly blessed by God. Now I wont argue that we have moved far away from God and sinned greatly but I will tell you that your nation would be speaking German or Japanese if not for us, Great Britin the same way. So before you go railing against this country you had better thank God that we were there to save you

 

[Stravinsk]

I maintain that the Declaration of Independence by the 13 middle North American colonies (there were many to the north and south which remained loyal (scripurally) to His Majesty George III) was wicked, illegal, and godless. I believe that the reason the the USA has been at war for almost all of its existence is because it has been in rebellion against authority and God himself, and it's founding, evil racism. I am thankful that Canada and other Commonwealth Realms such as Australia and New Zealand were wiser and found peaceable and pro-life means to find a way to become independent of the UK Parliament and still stay faithful to their Embodiment of the Nation (very loosely translated as Head of State) ... and not pledge their allegiance to a patchwork bit of cloth that really means nothing but wickedness to almost everyone on the planet except for the tiny percentage of people who live in the country that expects its citizens to worship that rag. God save the Queen!

At the time of the Revolution - the USA wanted to (among other things) free itself from the financial powers of the time which ruled over it. They fought, and won, and were free for a time. The constitution is and was a great step in the right direction for individual freedom and fair trade between states and nations.

Unfortunately, it was not long lived, and the international financiers got their way with their central bank and fiat currency - and eventually overriding the Constitution so that they could have endless war. This is what exists today in the USA. A state of perpetual war that exists by a monopoly over credit and a relatively uncaring and increasingly ignorant public. How many know that Congress must declare war and authorize funds for it? How many care enough to vote their congressman out of power for not obeying the Constitution? How many think the President can just declare war any time he wants?

As for WW2, Hitler, Germany and all that. Well, there is something that is often forgotten about Germany - they were really not the original aggressors. The financial powers that were sucking them dry after WW1 were. Those powers still exist today, and it was Germany that stood up to them.

History is written by the winners. If you're a student in a USA History class - or watching a US funded history lesson on the subject - you probably "know" that Japan attacked Pearl Harbor full stop. What you probably aren't aware of is that the US put Japanese Americans in concentration camps and threatened Japan's entire economy by shutting off oil shipments to the country long before Japan attacked.

This business of "we'd all be speaking German or Japanese now and you've gotta remember we SAVED you" is like a trite little meme that is blind to history and historical context in favor of it's "Ra Ra" nationalism.

On the other hand - the text of the OP is also incorrect in it's assumption of cause of war. Legally - the USA, by it's own Constitution has tight restrictions on how war can be declared and how it is funded once it is. Unfortunately, a great many citizens neither know or care - or if they do - think they can do nothing about it. As for funding endless wars - a true gold and silver monetary standard with 0 fiat or digital currency available wouldn't have allowed for that - but then...that part of the constitution was axed long ago...and not by coincidence.

So yes, USA - you speak English (not German nor Japanese) - but your currency isn't American. What are those symbols on the back? You are ruled by the powers Germany fought against. You are ruled by the International Zionists and financiers. Tis the truth.

 

[Josiah]

I maintain that the Declaration of Independence by the 13 middle North American colonies (there were many to the north and south which remained loyal (scripurally) to His Majesty George III) was wicked, illegal, and godless. I believe that the reason the the USA has been at war for almost all of its existence is because it has been in rebellion against authority and God himself, and it's founding, evil racism. I am thankful that Canada and other Commonwealth Realms such as Australia and New Zealand were wiser and found peaceable and pro-life means to find a way to become independent of the UK Parliament and still stay faithful to their Embodiment of the Nation (very loosely translated as Head of State) ... and not pledge their allegiance to a patchwork bit of cloth that really means nothing but wickedness to almost everyone on the planet except for the tiny percentage of people who live in the country that expects its citizens to worship that rag. God save the Queen!

I think the "Commonwealth" nations (still in submission to the Queen) have been involved in more wars than the USA has been, and some of them much longer than the USA was.



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[NewCreation435]

I maintain that the Declaration of Independence by the 13 middle North American colonies (there were many to the north and south which remained loyal (scripurally) to His Majesty George III) was wicked, illegal, and godless. I believe that the reason the the USA has been at war for almost all of its existence is because it has been in rebellion against authority and God himself, and it's founding, evil racism. I am thankful that Canada and other Commonwealth Realms such as Australia and New Zealand were wiser and found peaceable and pro-life means to find a way to become independent of the UK Parliament and still stay faithful to their Embodiment of the Nation (very loosely translated as Head of State) ... and not pledge their allegiance to a patchwork bit of cloth that really means nothing but wickedness to almost everyone on the planet except for the tiny percentage of people who live in the country that expects its citizens to worship that rag. God save the Queen!

I just read a book about the founding fathers by Joseph Ellis who talked about two issues the Founding Fathers did not address but would become an issue later. one was slavery and the other was the Native Americans (Indians). Washington made somewhat of an effort to give the Indians their own land east of the Mississippi, but it largely came undone before the ink was dry. The fact is, that Americans broke every major treaty with the Indians that was agreed upon.

 

[tango]

I maintain that the Declaration of Independence by the 13 middle North American colonies (there were many to the north and south which remained loyal (scripurally) to His Majesty George III) was wicked, illegal, and godless. I believe that the reason the the USA has been at war for almost all of its existence is because it has been in rebellion against authority and God himself, and it's founding, evil racism. I am thankful that Canada and other Commonwealth Realms such as Australia and New Zealand were wiser and found peaceable and pro-life means to find a way to become independent of the UK Parliament and still stay faithful to their Embodiment of the Nation (very loosely translated as Head of State) ... and not pledge their allegiance to a patchwork bit of cloth that really means nothing but wickedness to almost everyone on the planet except for the tiny percentage of people who live in the country that expects its citizens to worship that rag. God save the Queen!

Honestly, I found your question interesting until you got to the part about a cloth that means nothing but wickedness and worshipping a rag. That made your post look like little more than an attempt at trolling.

 

[psalms 91]

Honestly, I found your question interesting until you got to the part about a cloth that means nothing but wickedness and worshipping a rag. That made your post look like little more than an attempt at trolling.

Yup intended to get a rise I think

 

[ImaginaryDay2]

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[IACOBVS]

This nation was founded under God and at least for a good part of that time was richly blessed by God. Now I wont argue that we have moved far away from God and sinned greatly but I will tell you that your nation would be speaking German or Japanese if not for us, Great Britin the same way. So before you go railing against this country you had better thank God that we were there to save you

Just because some pledge that was concocted over a century after the US was founded says that the US is under God doesn't make it so. In fact, the original pledge of allegiance doesn't even include the phrase "under God".

And how any Christian can claim that the US was founded on Godly terms cannot be supported by the Bible anywhere?

And no, we would not be speaking German or Japanese. The really sick thing is that the US took forever to stand up to Germany twice, and Japan once ... only after years of the UK, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, the rest of the British Empire and Commonwealth, as well as France, and most of the other democracies of the world, were fiighting them right from the beginning. The US were a bunch of unethical cowards until Japan attacked them directly. Even then, the US did not declare war on Hitler and the Nazis. It was only after Germany declared war on the US that the US entered that theatre of WWII. And then, because of its power, the US became the world's bully. US people really need to study history properly.

 

[IACOBVS]

This nation was founded under God and at least for a good part of that time was richly blessed by God. Now I wont argue that we have moved far away from God and sinned greatly but I will tell you that your nation would be speaking German or Japanese if not for us, Great Britin the same way. So before you go railing against this country you had better thank God that we were there to save you

And please explain to me how the US has been blessed by God with being at war for most of its existence. That is hardly a blessing.

 

[IACOBVS]

I think the "Commonwealth" nations (still in submission to the Queen) have been involved in more wars than the USA has been, and some of them much longer than the USA was.



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The Commonwealth Realms choose to have Her Majesty as their Sovereign Lady. That is not submission. Also, the Commonwealth has never been at war, ever. Some individual nations have gone to war at some times, sometimes justly and sometimes unjustly.

 

[psalms 91]

And please explain to me how the US has been blessed by God with being at war for most of its existence. That is hardly a blessing.

Our economy, how the rest of the rold viewed us up till the 60's, how we were a blessing to others. War itself can be righteous depending

 

[IACOBVS]

I just read a book about the founding fathers by Joseph Ellis who talked about two issues the Founding Fathers did not address but would become an issue later. one was slavery and the other was the Native Americans (Indians). Washington made somewhat of an effort to give the Indians their own land east of the Mississippi, but it largely came undone before the ink was dry. The fact is, that Americans broke every major treaty with the Indians that was agreed upon.

One of the major reasons for the American Revolution was the Quebec Act, which gave much of the land east of the Mississippi to the original inhabitants. That was a British law. The rebellious colonies were not happy with that. Mr. Washington can hardly claim to be in favour of letting the Indigenous peoples of that area to have that land when he fought so hard against it in the first place.

 

[psalms 91]

Just because some pledge that was concocted over a century after the US was founded says that the US is under God doesn't make it so. In fact, the original pledge of allegiance doesn't even include the phrase "under God".

And how any Christian can claim that the US was founded on Godly terms cannot be supported by the Bible anywhere?

And no, we would not be speaking German or Japanese. The really sick thing is that the US took forever to stand up to Germany twice, and Japan once ... only after years of the UK, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, the rest of the British Empire and Commonwealth, as well as France, and most of the other democracies of the world, were fiighting them right from the beginning. The US were a bunch of unethical cowards until Japan attacked them directly. Even then, the US did not declare war on Hitler and the Nazis. It was only after Germany declared war on the US that the US entered that theatre of WWII. And then, because of its power, the US became the world's bully. US people really need to study history properly.

If they had your attitude I can understand why they didnt want to get involved and as far as not helping we were shipping all sorts of materials to Britan long before we were actuially at war. Im done with this as you are very obviously blinded by your hatred for this country so I have no time for you in that sense, as a vet I find it unbelievable how little of history you actually know unless you are just slanting it to fit your own ideas

 

[IACOBVS]

On the other hand - the text of the OP is also incorrect in it's assumption of cause of war. Legally - the USA, by it's own Constitution has tight restrictions on how war can be declared and how it is funded once it is. Unfortunately, a great many citizens neither know or care - or if they do - think they can do nothing about it. As for funding endless wars - a true gold and silver monetary standard with 0 fiat or digital currency available wouldn't have allowed for that - but then...that part of the constitution was axed long ago...and not by coincidence.

How is it not correct?

 

[IACOBVS]

Honestly, I found your question interesting until you got to the part about a cloth that means nothing but wickedness and worshipping a rag. That made your post look like little more than an attempt at trolling.

But it really is a rag that is worshipped. A fact isn't trolling.

 

[IACOBVS]

If they had your attitude I can understand why they didnt want to get involved and as far as not helping we were shipping all sorts of materials to Britan long before we were actuially at war. Im done with this as you are very obviously blinded by your hatred for this country so I have no time for you in that sense, as a vet I find it unbelievable how little of history you actually know unless you are just slanting it to fit your own ideas

I know my history, trust me. They actually teach it in Canada. And you might be surprised to know that I hold US citizenship in conjunction with my Canadian one, and have lived in that country. The jingoistic arrogance of the US less than proud to be associated with it, though.

 

[tango]

But it really is a rag that is worshipped. A fact isn't trolling.

It's not a fact. I haven't seen a single American who worships the flag. It's just pointlessly inflammatory rhetoric that achieves nothing, aside from making you look like a troll.