Jew/ Gentile

[popsthebuilder]

Is that directed at me? You need to be much more specific on 1,2,3

It was intended for anyone.

I will gladly be more specific on any point you like. What erks you about them?

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[Cassia]

It was intended for anyone.

I will gladly be more specific on any point you like. What erks you about them?

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i dont understand whats erking you abt my comments would be it. From what i wrote abt my opinion on the question asked abt Protestants abd Catholics you chose to focus on the mention of ecf. Thats fine but it wasnt the point of the comment which you chose to ignor. Now you seem to be having issues so i would like clarification as to what they are.

 

[popsthebuilder]

i dont understand whats erking you abt my comments would be it. From what i wrote abt my opinion on the question asked abt Protestants abd Catholics you chose to focus on the mention of ecf. Thats fine but it wasnt the point of the comment which you chose to ignor. Now you seem to be having issues so i would like clarification as to what they are.

I'm sorry for the confusion. I understand pedritos point about the rcc, but don't really care to comment on them at this time. I know nothing of the Protestant Church. I find the divisions of the sects of Christianity to be wrong in their division.

As far as my other post with the three points; it is about issues I am steadily coming across somewhere else. I mentioned them here because they are relevent to the subject matter and I find d those here to be seemingly more genuine in their faith, making their opinions valuable to me (being ignorant of things of traditions and history and religion in general.

I hope that helps. I am not bothered by you at all,and value your opinion. You requested clarification on the points I had made; I asked what erked or bothered you about those points so that I could fulfil your request for clarification.

peace friend

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[Cassia]

,,,

1) two separate gospels for two sets of people. I find this wholly wrong, but welcome leveled civil conversation about it.

2)the Christ of GOD had two agendas; neither of which was the salvation of All. Same as #1

3)the utter judgement/condemnation, and total degradation of fellow Christians is not only okay, but is righteous; condemning any who may seek yet be ignorant. Also allowing for a hierarchy though All are sinners. My sentiment towards this this issue is the same as it is for the first and second.

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... the three points; it is about issues I am steadily coming across somewhere else....

So should we just chalk this up to false witnessing or are you still looking for someone to catch your guiltball? In any case I think clarity as to what your meaning is is still necessary as to 2 gospels, 2 agendas and degradation of others.

 

[Lamb]

Okay people; I'm hearing some really strange things lately ( from professing Christians) and would like to speak about them here because they are relevent and I do find that those here are seemingly genuine in their faith.

I'll keep it to the point until questions or comments are made in response.

1) two separate gospels for two sets of people. I find this wholly wrong, but welcome leveled civil conversation about it.

2)the Christ of GOD had two agendas; neither of which was the salvation of All. Same as #1

3)the utter judgement/condemnation, and total degradation of fellow Christians is not only okay, but is righteous; condemning any who may seek yet be ignorant. Also allowing for a hierarchy though All are sinners. My sentiment towards this this issue is the same as it is for the first and second.

Any input would be very welcome. I will not be attacking anyone here regardless of their position and do look to help the understanding of myself and others elsewhere.

Thank you all,

peace

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1. What are the two Gospels being preached?
2. What are the two agendas...does that have anything to do with double predestination where Calvinists believe God pre-destined that some men would be hell-bound?
3. Judgment is different from condemnation of God already declared something in scripture as a judgment. But to belittle mankind is not loving to our neighbor.

 

[psalms 91]

As to the two seperate gospels are you talking the physical that Jesus used for the masses and the spiritual which He revealed to His disciples?

 

[popsthebuilder]

So should we just chalk this up to false witnessing or are you still looking for someone to catch your guiltball? In any case I think clarity as to what your meaning is is still necessary as to 2 gospels, 2 agendas and degradation of others.

Two gospels one for Paul alone and one for the rest. One for the Jew and one for the gentile. One of unconditional continued grace regardless of knowing misdirection, and the other pointing to repentance.

Two agendas are leaving dead to bury dead/ forget the lost

And give secret message to only the apostles. Neither of which is the Gospel. Also this same person sincerely thinks that the parables that those he Christ taught through were only to keep the blind lost,l only and they have no knowledge within the parables whatsoever.

The last about the degradation and belittlement and condemnation of all that disagree with them is supposed to be okay because those being talked down to are supposedly too lost to be saved.

All these things are being said to Christians by Christians.

I'm sorry I don't have more time to explain right now.



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[popsthebuilder]

As to the two seperate gospels are you talking the physical that Jesus used for the masses and the spiritual which He revealed to His disciples?

Yes to some extent it seems that this is what they are referencing. We all know that the path to destruction is broad am many will go that way, but for us to turn our back on any; especially professing Christians or people actively seeking GOD.

Jesus said He was sent to guide the lost not those with sight; but these people utterly condemn others calling them all things from fool to heretic to builder of Satan's kingdom.

I understand that we have different perspectives but don't think any of those can be so opposed to the simple teachings and example of the Christ of GOD and still be good or right, let alone safe or righteous.

Will be back later.

peace

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[atpollard]

Two gospels one for Paul alone and one for the rest. One for the Jew and one for the gentile. One of unconditional continued grace regardless of knowing misdirection, and the other pointing to repentance.

Two agendas are leaving dead to bury dead/ forget the lost

And give secret message to only the apostles. Neither of which is the Gospel. Also this same person sincerely thinks that the parables that those he Christ taught through were only to keep the blind lost,l only and they have no knowledge within the parables whatsoever.

The last about the degradation and belittlement and condemnation of all that disagree with them is supposed to be okay because those being talked down to are supposedly too lost to be saved.

All these things are being said to Christians by Christians.

I'm sorry I don't have more time to explain right now.

It sounds like a perversion of Calvinism and a variation on what is commonly called double predestination. At its core, the idea is God created some people to be saved and there is nothing they can do about it (no reprobate life can keep them out of heaven) and God created some to be damned and no effort to know God will change their fate. It is obviously NOT taught in scripture and is a fringe, cult belief hend by a tiny minority that just calls itself Calvinist but really shares none of the true beliefs of John Calvin and Reformed Theologians.

There is a grain of sand of truth at the core of each of the beliefs, but they have been pushed much too far.

TWO GOSPELS:
In a sort of if you squint sense, there are two messages presented in the New Testament. Matthew, Mark, Luke and John record Jesus earthly ministry. Jesus DID deliver his message to the Jews first, so it is a message delivered to people under the OT covenant and familiar with the law. It is also a message that cannot really dwell on the Resurrection and the power of the in dwelling of the Holy Spirit and Jesus seated at the right hand of the Father ... because those events had not happened yet when Jesus delivered his teachings.

Paul's letters (and the others) are generally addressed to Gentiles, so they do not emphasize the OT Law as a starting point and they were written after the Ressurection and Pentacost, so they do emphasize those things. Because of these basic differences, there is a different character between Jesus and Paul's messages.

However, both point to the same one true Gospel. Jesus came to fulfill the Law and to free men from death, hell and the grave. One looks forward and one looks back, but both look to Jesus.


TWO AGENDAS:
Jesus talked in one of the parables about giving more to those who had much and taking away even the little that others had. That is in many ways exactly what Jesus did in his ministry. Those who desired to know more about God, were given access to ever deeper truths. Those who already had all of the answers, were allowed to become even more foolish.

The stuff they think about the parables is just nonsense.

Sorry, out of time.

 

[Cassia]

It sounds like a perversion of Calvinism and a variation on what is commonly called double predestination. At its core, the idea is God created some people to be saved and there is nothing they can do about it (no reprobate life can keep them out of heaven) and God created some to be damned and no effort to know God will change their fate. It is obviously NOT taught in scripture and is a fringe, cult belief hend by a tiny minority that just calls itself Calvinist but really shares none of the true beliefs of John Calvin and Reformed Theologians.

There is a grain of sand of truth at the core of each of the beliefs, but they have been pushed much too far.

TWO GOSPELS:
In a sort of if you squint sense, there are two messages presented in the New Testament. Matthew, Mark, Luke and John record Jesus earthly ministry. Jesus DID deliver his message to the Jews first, so it is a message delivered to people under the OT covenant and familiar with the law. It is also a message that cannot really dwell on the Resurrection and the power of the in dwelling of the Holy Spirit and Jesus seated at the right hand of the Father ... because those events had not happened yet when Jesus delivered his teachings.

Paul's letters (and the others) are generally addressed to Gentiles, so they do not emphasize the OT Law as a starting point and they were written after the Ressurection and Pentacost, so they do emphasize those things. Because of these basic differences, there is a different character between Jesus and Paul's messages.

However, both point to the same one true Gospel. Jesus came to fulfill the Law and to free men from death, hell and the grave. One looks forward and one looks back, but both look to Jesus.


TWO AGENDAS:
Jesus talked in one of the parables about giving more to those who had much and taking away even the little that others had. That is in many ways exactly what Jesus did in his ministry. Those who desired to know more about God, were given access to ever deeper truths. Those who already had all of the answers, were allowed to become even more foolish.

The stuff they think about the parables is just nonsense.

Sorry, out of time.

That makes sense as to the grain of truth in each. Thanks for supplying the meaning. I didn't have a clue what popsthebuilder was talking about.

 

[popsthebuilder]

What makes people think that St. Paul received a different message from all else?

Anyone with the capacity to comprehend the writings ascribed to St. Paul should be able to see that they align with the rest of the new covenant.

Being in knowing sin isn't a good reason to be so biased as to claim the new testament contradictory to even itself.



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[popsthebuilder]

The is no Jew or gentile.

The Christ of GOD helped all in need, not only those who agreed with Him.

Help was in the form of correction and chastisement for the pharisees and sudduccees (hypocrites and materialists)

Sorry for the extended delay and poor amount of detail.



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[popsthebuilder]

Ephesians: 2. 1. And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins; 2. Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience: 3. Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others. 4. But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us, 5. Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved 6. And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus: 7. That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus. 8. For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9. Not of works, lest any man should boast. 10. For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them. 11. Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands; 12. That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world: 13. But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ. 14. For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us; 15. Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace; 16. And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby: 17. And came and preached peace to you which were afar off, and to them that were nigh. 18. For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father. 19. Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God; 20. And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone; 21. In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord: 22. In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.

No Jew, no gentile. The two are one by the work of the Christ of GOD.

peace

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