Aliens, Sin & Forgiveness

[Lamb]

Hotrhymez's thread about aliens made me think of a topic I'd like to hear opinions on. I don't think there is truly a 100% correct one that we can back up with biblical evidence since I've seen different ideas on this.

If there are aliens out there, did they fall into sin when Adam & Eve fell?

If so, did Jesus' death on the cross also forgive their sins?

Are sins and the Savior restricted to our world alone or does it cover "all of creation" which is what some people on other sites claim?

 

[Cassia]

I think they came from pre-adamic times. Scripture seems to point to a time that the earth was inhabited with satan and the fallen angels. They would have been a very advanced civilization (Atlantis comes to mind) much more advanced than us. As primitive as we are we still have escape routes to outer space in place for those who can afford it. I figger that those from the pre-adamic also made good their escape from the destruction upon the earth. Aliens are just demon activity.

 

[Lamb]

What about possible aliens who have never inhabited our planet?

 

[Stravinsk]

What about possible aliens who have never inhabited our planet?

We live on a plane, not a "plane-t"

The Nasa pictures of the so called "planets" (including our own) are proven frauds.

According to the Book of Enoch, (and by reference in the book of Jude), some of the stars disobeyed, and in the former are likened to fallen angels. These are the "wandering stars" - the things people call terra firma (planets) - and they are not. They are stars. WE KNOW they are nothing like the CGI NASA shows us.

Aliens - what is commonly thought about them - as beings from other worlds - simply do not exist - because the "other worlds" don't exist, and all of this can be shown.

But science fiction fans will have the hardest time accepting any of that, so hence, your question and this thread.

 

[IACOBVS]

Hotrhymez's thread about aliens made me think of a topic I'd like to hear opinions on. I don't think there is truly a 100% correct one that we can back up with biblical evidence since I've seen different ideas on this.

If there are aliens out there, did they fall into sin when Adam & Eve fell?

If so, did Jesus' death on the cross also forgive their sins?

Are sins and the Savior restricted to our world alone or does it cover "all of creation" which is what some people on other sites claim?

Nah... our sins wouldn't have an effect on them. Think of it this way ... what if some alien culture "fell into sin"? I don't think you'd be very happy if that affected you somehow. Plus, the first two chapters of Genesis are parables of sorts, aren't they? (and at least several chapters thereafter) ... since we all know that the earth is a few billion years old and stuff... right?

If anything, what happened here on Earth was an aberration of God's plan. What happened here ended up very like the saying of "trying to herd cats" for the poor old boy. He dabbled and knew it would likely go badly, so he had his back-up plan ready ... poor Jesus.

 

[Stravinsk]

Nah... our sins wouldn't have an effect on them. Think of it this way ... what if some alien culture "fell into sin"? I don't think you'd be very happy if that affected you somehow. Plus, the first two chapters of Genesis are parables of sorts, aren't they? (and at least several chapters thereafter) ... since we all know that the earth is a few billion years old and stuff... right?

If anything, what happened here on Earth was an aberration of God's plan. What happened here ended up very like the saying of "trying to herd cats" for the poor old boy. He dabbled and knew it would likely go badly, so he had his back-up plan ready ... poor Jesus.

:disgonbegood:

 

[Tigger]

There may be life found throughout the universe but only mankind was created in the image of God.

 

[Tigger]

And all of creation fell under the effects of sin due to there being only one Creator and hence one creation. We see the effects of this in super novas and other signs of a collectively dying universe.

 

[Stravinsk]

There may be life found throughout the universe but only mankind was created in the image of God.

Liked for bolded/underlined

 

[Lamb]

There may be life found throughout the universe but only mankind was created in the image of God.

God wouldn't make man on any other planets?

 

[IACOBVS]

And all of creation fell under the effects of sin due to there being only one Creator and hence one creation. We see the effects of this in super novas and other signs of a collectively dying universe.

But ... but ... it's only that light and other radiation from the super novae that we currently see are reaching us on earth now. The stars that such phenomena were created from actually exploded long before the Fall occurred. Also, those stars didn't actually die. They weren't living things to begin with; they merely blew up. Hence, they cannot be claimed to be signs of a "dying universe".

 

[Tigger]

But ... but ... it's only that light and other radiation from the super novae that we currently see are reaching us on earth now. The stars that such phenomena were created from actually exploded long before the Fall occurred. Also, those stars didn't actually die. They weren't living things to begin with; they merely blew up. Hence, they cannot be claimed to be signs of a "dying universe".

The second law of thermodynamics effects matter whether living or not. Also ponder this when God created the heavens and Earth He created the light from those stars many light years away already in place to be viewed.

 

[Tigger]

God wouldn't make man on any other planets?

Well God created Adam and Eve our ancestors here on Earth in the Garden of Eden.

 

[Stravinsk]

The second law of thermodynamics effects matter whether living or not. Also ponder this when God created the heavens and Earth He created the light from those stars many light years away already in place to be viewed.

The stars are closer than we have been told, "light years" is a bit of science fiction rubbish, and there is 0 stellar parallax that the average joe can measure. In other words - we see the same constellations every single year, and they don't appear to spread apart "as the earth approaches" nor come together "as the earth recedes". Some will claim it exists - but is so tiny that it's hard to measure (this assumes stars are extremely far away taken as a whole). Then it seems that the parallax that is seen is not even consistent with the earth's supposed rotation:

https://aplanetruth.info/heliocentricism-is-dead/

 

[IACOBVS]

The second law of thermodynamics effects matter whether living or not. Also ponder this when God created the heavens and Earth He created the light from those stars many light years away already in place to be viewed.

If God did that, he'd be being deceptive. Somehow, I don't think being a deceiver is one of his characteristics. If I recall correctly, that job kind of fell to someone else. :ewink:

 

[Tigger]

If God did that, he'd be being deceptive. Somehow, I don't think being a deceiver is one of his characteristics. If I recall correctly, that job kind of fell to someone else. :ewink:

Was it deceptive for God to create Adam as a mature being rather than a child?

 

[Pedrito]

Pedrito wishes to advance a couple of thoughts, spanning a couple of posts.

1. From Post #1:

If there are aliens out there, did they fall into sin when Adam & Eve fell?

If so, did Jesus' death on the cross also forgive their sins?

Are sins and the Savior restricted to our world alone or does it cover "all of creation" which is what some people on other sites claim?

Pedrito submits that the only aliens mentioned in Scripture are those of heavenly origin, and the spirit-begotten on Earth. (The faithful prior to Jesus’ sacrificial death and resurrection were also aliens in a sense, but not by heavenly origin nor by spiritual birth. Hebrews 11:13)

1 Corinthians 15:21,22:
“21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.”

When did physical beings from other planets (or heavenly beings for that matter) start dying for Adam’s sin? What saith the Scripture? When are they going to be resurrected?

Acts 24:14,15:
“14 But this I confess unto thee, that after the way which they call heresy, so worship I the God of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the law and in the prophets:
15 And have hope toward God, which they themselves also allow, that there shall be a resurrection of the dead, both of the just and unjust.”

Pedrito asks again, when are physical beings from other planets, if they exist (or heavenly beings for that matter), going to be resurrected?

It would seem that the Fall of Man and the Redemption of Man, strangely enough, pertain to Mankind alone.


Continued...

 

[Pedrito]

...Continued


Pedrito continues to advance a couple of thoughts.

2. From Post #2:

I think they came from pre-adamic times. Scripture seems to point to a time that the earth was inhabited with satan and the fallen angels.

This thought is seen often, in one form or another. It is based on the fact that the Hebrew word translated “was” in Genesis 1:2 (הָיָה hayah) can also be translated “became” as in Genesis 19:26, where Lot’s wife “became” a pillar of salt. The proposition is that because it could be translated like that, it should be.

As Pedrito has stated often in the past, and will probably continue to state, the meaning of a Scripture verse that can be translated a number of ways, must be determined by comparing those meanings with other Scripture (often the bulk of Scripture, and including accurate context).

In this case, what saith the Scripture?

Ezekiel 28:12-17 is seen by many as opening a window into history, beyond the immediate subject, and focussing on the origin of the power behind the king being referred to – i.e. focussing on Satan.

“12 Son of man, take up a lamentation upon the king of Tyrus, and say unto him, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Thou sealest up the sum, full of wisdom, and perfect in beauty.
13 Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created.
14 Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so : thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.
15 Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.
16 By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire.
17 Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I will cast thee to the ground, I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee.”

Isaiah 14:12-14 is seen as a companion passage, giving extra information.

“12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:
14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.”

If those perspectives are true, then Lucifer became Satan after he had been given the privilege of being in the special Garden with the peak of God’s sentient physical creation.

If not, we are faced with (as some would say), God destroying a pre-Adamic civilization (with no provision for redemption), or as others would say, Satan and the fallen angels inhabiting the Earth (and destroying it in another variation).

The Reader can choose the explanation which seems most scriptural and reasonable.

 

[Pedrito]

Post #4 on Page 1:

We live on a plane, not a "plane-t"

Whether the proposition that we live on a plane is true or not, Stravinsk will be flat-out trying to convince other members of the forum to believe it.

 

[hedrick]

There almost certainly have been or will be intelligent aliens. Whether there are any now depends upon the typical lifetime of civilizations and how many there are. That's hard to estimate.

In theory I guess they could be unfallen, but I doubt it. In theory Jesus' death and resurrection is enough for them all, but I'd assume God would have incarnated for any fallen species.