The second commandment.

[mcaughman5]

Ten Commandments List

You shall have no other gods before Me.You shall make no idols.You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain.Keep the Sabbath day holy.Honor your father and your mother.You shall not murder.You shall not commit adultery.You shall not steal.You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.You shall not covet.

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[MoreCoffee]

Ten Commandments List

You shall have no other gods before Me.You shall make no idols.You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain.Keep the Sabbath day holy.Honor your father and your mother.You shall not murder.You shall not commit adultery.You shall not steal.You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.You shall not covet.
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That isn't from the bible is it. It's a summary from someplace else.

 

[mcaughman5]

Maybe if you can ask someone to assist you you will see that your listing is incorrect

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[mcaughman5]

***The Ten Commandments*(Exodus 20:2-17 NKJV)1“I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. You shall have no other gods before Me.2“You shall not make for yourself a carved image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; you shall not bow down to them nor serve them. For I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children to the third and fourth generations of those who hate Me, but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My Commandments.3“You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain, for the Lord will not hold him guiltless who takes His name in vain.

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[MoreCoffee]

Maybe if you can ask someone to assist you you will see that your listing is incorrect

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It's the list that saint Augustine gave, it is what Deuteronomy chapter five says.

 

[mcaughman5]

Another aid by using the Internet is to Google in what is the sin of the second commandment..

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[MoreCoffee]

Another aid by using the Internet is to Google in what is the sin of the second commandment..

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My list - which is a quote from Deuteronomy - says:

1. I am the LORD thy God, which brought thee out of the land of Egypt, from the house of bondage. Thou shalt have none other gods before me. Thou shalt not make thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the waters beneath the earth: Thou shalt not bow down thyself unto them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me, And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me and keep my commandments.
2. Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain: for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain. Keep the sabbath day to sanctify it, as the LORD thy God hath commanded thee.
3. Six days thou shalt labour, and do all thy work: But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, nor thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thine ox, nor thine ass, nor any of thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates; that thy manservant and thy maidservant may rest as well as thou. And remember that thou wast a servant in the land of Egypt, and that the LORD thy God brought thee out thence through a mighty hand and by a stretched out arm: therefore the LORD thy God commanded thee to keep the sabbath day.
4. Honour thy father and thy mother, as the LORD thy God hath commanded thee; that thy days may be prolonged, and that it may go well with thee, in the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee.
5. Thou shalt not kill.
6. Neither shalt thou commit adultery.
7. Neither shalt thou steal.
8. Neither shalt thou bear false witness against thy neighbour.
9. Neither shalt thou desire thy neighbour's wife.
10. Neither shalt thou covet thy neighbour's house, his field, or his manservant, or his maidservant, his ox, or his ass, or any thing that is thy neighbour's.

(Deuteronomy 5:6-21)

 

[mcaughman5]

Can you humor me and tell me what you found when you searched the sin of the second commandment

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[Rens]

Actually that is incorrect, the commandment given makes no mention of animals unless you intend to bow down and worship them as the golden calf incident as the Israelite nation performed.

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You shall not make for yourself a carved image—any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; 5 you shall not bow down to them nor serve them.

So I think making a movie of Jesus and taking a pic from the man who plays Him isn't wrong, as long as you don't worship the image. Otherwise a pic of a fish is evil too. Just those animal images they worship are bad.

 

[mcaughman5]

Making of any image of God, by an actor is not only wrong it is sinful, and the historical church following that which was laid out made sure that this commandment was known as given earlier by the Heidelberg Catechism and the Westminster Larger Catechism and the many other proof texts, and as well I left one article on this topic,.. I also requested that you critique the creeds with the scripture reference to see the error.

 

[mcaughman5]

''It is the making of a lie about the invisible God, and worshipping that lie. The image worshipper wantonly deprives God of His glory.
For the living God is the Creator, but an image is always the representation of a creature. God is a Spirit and essentially invisible, but an image is always material and visible. God is the eternal One, but an image is the representation of a creature which drags God into the limits of time. God is immense, omnipresent, immanent and transcendent, but the image worshipper deprives God of His greatness. God is infinite in all His glorious virtues, but the image worshipper declares of a dumb image, which has neither knowledge nor understanding, which can neither hear nor speak, that it is a true representation of the God of glory. God is independent and exists of and by Himself: He is Jehovah, the eternal I AM, with whom there is no change or shadow of turning; but the image worshipper represents Him as a changeable creature, dependent on the one that made it, and that can be carried about according to the fancy of him that formed it. Image worship, therefore, is the heinous sin of dragging down the glorious Creator of heaven and earth to the level of the creature, and of depriving the Lord of glory of all His adorable virtues.'' Herman Hoeksema

 

[mcaughman5]

Q&A 97
Q. May we then not make any image at all?
A. God can not and may not be visibly portrayed in any way.
Although creatures may be portrayed, yet God forbids making or having such images if one's intention is to worship them or to serve God through them.1
1 Ex. 34:13-14, 17; 2 Kings 18:4-5.. Heidelberg Catechism.

 

[mcaughman5]

http://seeking4truth.com/ursinus/zuquestion97.htm

 

[user1234]

Is it okay for a church to put on an Easter or Passion Play or Christmas Play, thereby depicting Jesus in different artistically licensed ways?
What about a rendition of certain scenes from the Acts of the Apostles?

 

[mcaughman5]

I'll allow another rendering of the Catechism expound on it if you don't mind,.. Q. 98.*But may not images be tolerated in the churches, as books to the laity?

A.*No: for we must not pretend to be wiser than God, who will have his people taught, not by dumb images,a*but by the lively preaching of his word.b

(a)*Jer 10:8;*Hab 2:18,19
(b)*Rom 10:14,15,17;*2 Pet 1:19;*2 Tim 3:16,17



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[MoreCoffee]

Can you humor me and tell me what you found when you searched the sin of the second commandment

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I didn't search with google because I already know what the second commandment is. The first post in this thread explains it.

 

[user1234]

I'll allow another rendering of the Catechism expound on it if you don't mind,.. Q. 98.*But may not images be tolerated in the churches, as books to the laity?

A.*No: for we must not pretend to be wiser than God, who will have his people taught, not by dumb images,a*but by the lively preaching of his word.b

(a)*Jer 10:8;*Hab 2:18,19
(b)*Rom 10:14,15,17;*2 Pet 1:19;*2 Tim 3:16,17



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So do you consider ppl in churches to be dumb images?
Arent ppl putting on a play hopefullypreaching God's Word in a lively way?

 

[MoreCoffee]

I'll allow another rendering of the Catechism expound on it if you don't mind,.. Q. 98.*But may not images be tolerated in the churches, as books to the laity?

A.*No: for we must not pretend to be wiser than God, who will have his people taught, not by dumb images,a*but by the lively preaching of his word.b

(a)*Jer 10:8;*Hab 2:18,19
(b)*Rom 10:14,15,17;*2 Pet 1:19;*2 Tim 3:16,17



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My catechism says:

THE SECOND COMMANDMENT

You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain.[SUP]72[/SUP]

You have heard that it was said to the men of old, "You shall not swear falsely. . But I say to you, Do not swear at all.[SUP]73[/SUP]

72 ⇒ Ex 20:7; ⇒ Deut 5:11.
73 ⇒ Mt 5:33-34.

I. The Name of the Lord is Holy

2142 The second commandment prescribes respect for the Lord's name. Like the first commandment, it belongs to the virtue of religion and more particularly it governs our use of speech in sacred matters.

2143 Among all the words of Revelation, there is one which is unique: the revealed name of God. God confides his name to those who believe in him; he reveals himself to them in his personal mystery. the gift of a name belongs to the order of trust and intimacy. "The Lord's name is holy." For this reason man must not abuse it. He must keep it in mind in silent, loving adoration. He will not introduce it into his own speech except to bless, praise, and glorify it.[SUP]74[/SUP]

2144 Respect for his name is an expression of the respect owed to the mystery of God himself and to the whole sacred reality it evokes. the sense of the sacred is part of the virtue of religion:

Are these feelings of fear and awe Christian feelings or not? . . . I say this, then, which I think no one can reasonably dispute. They are the class of feelings we should have - yes, have to an intense degree - if we literally had the sight of Almighty God; therefore they are the class of feelings which we shall have, if we realize His presence. In proportion as we believe that He is present, we shall have them; and not to have them, is not to realize, not to believe that He is present.[SUP]75[/SUP]

2145 The faithful should bear witness to the Lord's name by confessing the faith without giving way to fear.[SUP]76[/SUP] Preaching and catechizing should be permeated with adoration and respect for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ.

2146 The second commandment forbids the abuse of God's name, i.e., every improper use of the names of God, Jesus Christ, but also of the Virgin Mary and all the saints.

2147 Promises made to others in God's name engage the divine honor, fidelity, truthfulness, and authority. They must be respected in justice. To be unfaithful to them is to misuse God's name and in some way to make God out to be a liar.[SUP]77[/SUP]

2148 Blasphemy is directly opposed to the second commandment. It consists in uttering against God - inwardly or outwardly - words of hatred, reproach, or defiance; in speaking ill of God; in failing in respect toward him in one's speech; in misusing God's name. St. James condemns those "who blaspheme that honorable name [of Jesus] by which you are called."[SUP]78[/SUP] The prohibition of blasphemy extends to language against Christ's Church, the saints, and sacred things. It is also blasphemous to make use of God's name to cover up criminal practices, to reduce peoples to servitude, to torture persons or put them to death. the misuse of God's name to commit a crime can provoke others to repudiate religion.
Blasphemy is contrary to the respect due God and his holy name. It is in itself a grave sin.[SUP]79[/SUP]

2149 Oaths which misuse God's name, though without the intention of blasphemy, show lack of respect for the Lord. the second commandment also forbids magical use of the divine name.

[God's] name is great when spoken with respect for the greatness of his majesty. God's name is holy when said with veneration and fear of offending him.[SUP]80[/SUP]

74 Cf. ⇒ Zech 2:13; ⇒ Ps 29:2; ⇒ 96:2; ⇒ 113:1-2.
75 John Henry Cardinal Newman, Parochial and Plain Sermons V, 2 (London:
Longmans, Green and Co., 1907) 21-22.
76 Cf. ⇒ Mt 10:32; ⇒ 1 Tim 6:12.
77 Cf. 1 ⇒ Jn 1:10.
78 ⇒ Jas 2:7.
79 Cf. ⇒ CIC, can. 1369.
80 St. Augustine, De serm. Dom. in monte 2, 5, 19: PL 34, 1278​

 

[mcaughman5]

The language used in that Creed was from the late 16th century and in no way implied that we are dumb in the scholastical sense.. So no the people that maybe participating in a play or such are only following what was allowed and given from their leadership...

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[mcaughman5]

The image used are dumb for its made by fallen man who want to bring a holy God to the level of its creature.

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