Living As Son/Daughter of God

[Brighten04]

John 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
1 John 3:1 Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.
1 John 3:2Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
1John 4:17 Herein is our love made perfect, that we may have boldness in the day of judgment: because as he is, so are we in this world.

Since we are sons/daughters of God just like Jesus is Son of God, should we not look at the marvelous life of Lord Jesus and believe that we are in the Earth as powerful as He was in His Earthly walk?

 

[psalms 91]

Yes, so long as we can walk with Him because it is only through Him that we can do anything

 

[Brighten04]

Yes, so long as we can walk with Him because it is only through Him that we can do anything

Thank you for this response, but our walk is IN Him if we are born again of the Holy Spirit. We offer our bodies as living sacrifices for Him to live His life through us.

Romans 12:1 I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.

2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God

 

[psalms 91]

Thank you for this response, but our walk is IN Him if we are born again of the Holy Spirit. We offer our bodies as living sacrifices for Him to live His life through us.

Romans 12:1 I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.

2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God

Yes, a difference between Christ in us and us in Christ

 

[Brighten04]

Yes, a difference between Christ in us and us in Christ

Please elaborate what you believe by this statement.

 

[Lamb]

John 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
1 John 3:1 Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.
1 John 3:2Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
1John 4:17 Herein is our love made perfect, that we may have boldness in the day of judgment: because as he is, so are we in this world.

Since we are sons/daughters of God just like Jesus is Son of God, should we not look at the marvelous life of Lord Jesus and believe that we are in the Earth as powerful as He was in His Earthly walk?

It depends on what you mean by power. We have the power to overcome evil in His name. But I don't think it's God's will for me to be turning water into wine at weddings

 

[Brighten04]

It depends on what you mean by power. We have the power to overcome evil in His name. But I don't think it's God's will for me to be turning water into wine at weddings

Power=ability

RE: Turning water into wine at weddings, I am reminded of a joke my son told me.
There was a well known pastor who was pulled over by the police.
Police: " Ppastor, are you ok? you were weaving back there on the road."
Pastor: "Oh yes officer I am ok."
Police: "Pastor you have not been drinking alcohol have you?"
Pastor: "Oh no. Just water from my thermos."
Police: " Let me see that thermos Pastor."
Police looks into the thermos
Police: "Pastor this is not water. It is wine."
Pastor: "My goodness! Jesus did it again!"

:rotfl:

 

[Brighten04]

As sons/daughters of God, we are new creatures, only on the Earth for a little over two thousand years or so, since the resurrection of Jesus Christ. We, by faith, are brothers and sisters of Lord Jesus Himself, born of God our Father. Most Christians do not identify themselves this way. I think the identity thief has stolen their identity and they think they are mere men/women, so they act like mere men/women.

 

[psalms 91]

Many refuse to go to the cross and get rid of the old man, they are to much in the world and thus why a lot of things including power doesnt work in their lives

 

[Brighten04]

Many refuse to go to the cross and get rid of the old man, they are to much in the world and thus why a lot of things including power doesnt work in their lives

1 John 2:15 Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.(KJV)

1 John 2:15-17 15-17 Don’t love the world’s ways. Don’t love the world’s goods. Love of the world squeezes out love for the Father. Practically everything that goes on in the world—wanting your own way, wanting everything for yourself, wanting to appear important—has nothing to do with the Father. It just isolates you from him. The world and all its wanting, wanting, wanting is on the way out—but whoever does what God wants is set for eternity.(MSG)


I like the way The Message puts these verses. They tell us how loving the world and the desiring of things of the world takes our attention away from our Father. But, I think many do not recognize when love of the world is taking root in our lives. What seems "normal" and "everybody is doing it" and "there is nothing wrong with that" type thinking creeps in and steals the joy of the Lord from us. The fear of rejection from others also causes us to be conformed to the ways of the world without our recognizing it happening.

 

[psalms 91]

1 John 2:15 Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.(KJV)

1 John 2:15-17 15-17 Don’t love the world’s ways. Don’t love the world’s goods. Love of the world squeezes out love for the Father. Practically everything that goes on in the world—wanting your own way, wanting everything for yourself, wanting to appear important—has nothing to do with the Father. It just isolates you from him. The world and all its wanting, wanting, wanting is on the way out—but whoever does what God wants is set for eternity.(MSG)


I like the way The Message puts these verses. They tell us how loving the world and the desiring of things of the world takes our attention away from our Father. But, I think many do not recognize when love of the world is taking root in our lives. What seems "normal" and "everybody is doing it" and "there is nothing wrong with that" type thinking creeps in and steals the joy of the Lord from us. The fear of rejection from others also causes us to be conformed to the ways of the world without our recognizing it happening.

Absolutely, it seems right but what we think is right is not in Gods sight and if we are spiritual then the world will hate us, ever saw someone who really is? Most try to get away from them. Yes, the world is anything that takes our time our energy and focuss on other things and takes us away from God

 

[Cassia]

As sons/daughters of God, we are new creatures, only on the Earth for a little over two thousand years or so, since the resurrection of Jesus Christ. We, by faith, are brothers and sisters of Lord Jesus Himself, born of God our Father. Most Christians do not identify themselves this way. I think the identity thief has stolen their identity and they think they are mere men/women, so they act like mere men/women.

I agree.
The new creation that has a place in the new Jerusalem where the second death cannot touch them. My belief is that overcoming satan in this life releases us from having to face him again during the last rebellion. Christ is the light for the new creation just as physical light was needed for the old creation, which we are in but not of. When Jesus said "it is finished" I think it was the old creation, His work on earth finished to overcome death, and release the new resurrected life; while His work in the heavenlies was just begun as the firstfruits of the new creation.

 

[Brighten04]

Absolutely, it seems right but what we think is right is not in Gods sight and if we are spiritual then the world will hate us, ever saw someone who really is? Most try to get away from them. Yes, the world is anything that takes our time our energy and focuss on other things and takes us away from God

Right! Apostle Paul writes
Romans 12:1 I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.

2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.

So the son/daughter of God must not be conformed to this world. But, since we are still in sinful flesh, our thinking must be renewed by the word of God. Through the word of God we will be able to discern His will for us as His children. Unless a child of God develops a hunger and a thirst for the word himself/herself and not be dependent upon a man made tradition, discerning His will will be most difficult. It is hard to lose the attachment to long established traditions though. But traditions can become idols.

 

[user1234]

Right on, Brighten04 ! There's no shortage of religion these days.
And there are so many that are religious but lost.
Idolatry can come in many forms, though.
I often have to be careful that I don't let my own lack of 'religion'
also become an idol (in the form of pride).
God put that last verse in 1stJohn there for a reason.
A great little letter all about love and being saved with assurance, and THEN....
'Little children, keep yourselves from idols'. ... Love it! Thank you, Lord.

 

[Lamb]

Right! Apostle Paul writes
Romans 12:1 I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.

2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.

So the son/daughter of God must not be conformed to this world. But, since we are still in sinful flesh, our thinking must be renewed by the word of God. Through the word of God we will be able to discern His will for us as His children. Unless a child of God develops a hunger and a thirst for the word himself/herself and not be dependent upon a man made tradition, discerning His will will be most difficult. It is hard to lose the attachment to long established traditions though. But traditions can become idols.

Which traditions are you thinking of?

 

[Brighten04]

Which traditions are you thinking of?

There are quite a few imho that exalt man rather than God. Some I practice. Some I don't. For instance for Easter we hide eggs and make Easter baskets with candy eggs and chocolate bunnies.While it is fun, and it celebrates Spring, the message of the resurrection of Lord Jesus gets left out most time, especially in the advertising for goods that we see on television.Most people, even Christians, say "there is nothing wrong with that", or "that's normal", but in fact it is of the world. It has been long established, even from our youth, and it was fun for us so we continue the practice with our children and grandchildren. Some people act like it is not Easter without this, and the joy of the resurrection gets pushed to a "oh yeah, that too" position in the minds of the children of Christians and a "Doh , What is that?" in the minds the of children of unbelievers. IMHO, whatever we do ought to glorify God and point to Lord Jesus. IMHO that is our reasonable service.

 

[Cassia]

What strikes me most about living as Son-Daughter of God is that we're given so much of the inheritance now. By that I mean the kingdom is now yet it's future too. Otoh we're to wear the full armor, stand watch and pray, it's said. When Jesus was on earth His gospel was 'the kingdom' and I think the only function that the new creation has at this time is to be aware and explore the kingdom jmho

 

[Brighten04]

What strikes me most about living as Son-Daughter of God is that we're given so much of the inheritance now. By that I mean the kingdom is now yet it's future too. Otoh we're to wear the full armor, stand watch and pray, it's said. When Jesus was on earth His gospel was 'the kingdom' and I think the only function that the new creation has at this time is to be aware and explore the kingdom jmho

IMHO the good news of the gospel has been watered down to the point where it is all form and no power. Lord Jesus confronted the pharisees and sadducees about this very thing.

Matt. 23:3 All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.

4 For they bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay them on men's shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers.

5 But all their works they do for to be seen of men: they make broad their phylacteries, and enlarge the borders of their garments,

6 And love the uppermost rooms at feasts, and the chief seats in the synagogues,

7 And greetings in the markets, and to be called of men, Rabbi, Rabbi.

The Apostle Paul warned Timothy about such.
2Timothy 3:1 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.

2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,

3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,

4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;

5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.

6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,

7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.

8 Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith.

9 But they shall proceed no further: for their folly shall be manifest unto all men, as their's also was.

Lord Jesus set the example.So, sons/daughters of God should walk as He walked. Do as He did.

 

[Cassia]

Many refuse to go to the cross and get rid of the old man, they are to much in the world and thus why a lot of things including power doesnt work in their lives

What do you think is the power that works in those who go to cross daily to rid themselves of the 'old man'? How does one see that in daily living?

IMHO the good news of the gospel has been watered down to the point where it is all form and no power. Lord Jesus confronted the pharisees and sadducees about this very thing.

 

[psalms 91]

What do you think is the power that works in those who go to cross daily to rid themselves of the 'old man'? How does one see that in daily living?

Look at Paul and I think you will see a man consecrated unto God and the old man being in subjection to the spirit and we see the power in his life, the power to heal, the power to lead many to Christ, the power of a consecrated life. What ppower does Jesus say we are to have? Does it not say all power is given?