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Ever tried that ride spinning at 360 degrees per day?

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Nope, but the larger it gets, the faster it must spin to make one 360 degree revolution in a 24 hour period. I'd say the earth is a bit bigger than a gravitron. :wink:
 

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Nope, but the larger it gets, the faster it must spin to make one 360 degree revolution in a 24 hour period. I'd say the earth is a bit bigger than a gravitron. :wink:

It doesn't spin any faster it aways spins at 360 degrees per day. That's its speed.
 

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It doesn't spin any faster it aways spins at 360 degrees per day. That's its speed.

Speed is not a degree or circumference of a circle. It's just the measurement of the motion of an object that travels around it. The larger the circle, the more distance there is to cover. Thus, to cover a complete revolution the speed increases directly proportional to size.

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Speed is not a degree or circumference of a circle. It's just the measurement of the motion of an object that travels around it. The larger the circle, the more distance there is to cover. Thus, to cover a complete revolution the speed increases directly proportional to size.

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rotation speed is measured in revolutions per minute/second/day rev-per-time-period. the earth spins at 1 rev per day
 

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rotation speed is measured in revolutions per minute/second/day rev-per-time-period. the earth spins at 1 rev per day

No one is arguing that in the Globe Model - the earth doesn't spin one rotation per day. But you are confusing speed with degrees of a circle, just like Tango did. Again, here is the speed of that rotation at various locations. As you can see, the speed is directly proportional to the distance covered:

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Now back to the Gravitron - why aren't you being flung off, MoreCoffee? Unlike the people on the Gravitron, you're the one person that isn't strapped in and on the outside of it :)
 

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No one is arguing that in the Globe Model - the earth spins one rotation per day. But you are confusing speed with degrees of a circle, just like Tango did. Again, here is the speed of that rotation at various locations. As you can see, the speed is directly proportional to the distance covered: Now back to the Gravitron - why aren't you being flung off, MoreCoffee? Unlike the people on the Gravitron, you're the one person that isn't strapped in and on the outside of it :)

One measures rotation speed in revolutions per day for something as slow rotating as the Earth.
 

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I don't understand why it's of importance that we're in the centre of the universe and everything moves around us.
Cause that has a very negative connotation. They always say: the whole world doesn't spin around you.
He has to be in the center.

Hey I googled that, look what I found LOL:

http://cnn.com.de/news/donald-trump-says-earth-flat/
Yes, and I wonder how much it will matter in the new heavens and the new earth and in the New Jerusalem. Hey, at least the flat-heads are kinda handy.....They can carry more dishes when they're waiting tables in the New Jerusalem Cafe. :=D:
 
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One measures rotation speed in revolutions per day for something as slow rotating as the Earth.

You are arguing about the supposed rotation of the earth as a whole, and neglecting the fact that the speed of that supposed rotation must necessarily differ along different points of latitude.

Here's a quote from space.com. I think you'll like it - It's from the same people who believe in Spinning Globe Earth as you:

Earth's spin is constant, but the speed depends on what latitude you are located at. Here's an example. The circumference (distance around the largest part of the Earth) is roughly 24,898 miles (40,070 kilometers), according to NASA. (This area is also called the equator.) If you estimate that a day is 24 hours long, you divide the circumference by the length of the day. This produces a speed at the equator of about 1,037 mph (1,670 km/h).

You won't be moving quite as fast at other latitudes, however. If we move halfway up the globe to 45 degrees in latitude (either north or south), you calculate the speed by using the cosine (a trigonometric function) of the latitude. A good scientific calculator should have a cosine function available if you don't know how to calculate it. The cosine of 45 is 0.707, so the spin speed at 45 degrees is roughly 0.707 x 1037 = 733 mph (1,180 km/h). That speed decreases more as you go farther north or south. By the time you get to the North or South Poles, your spin is very slow indeed — it takes an entire day to spin in place.

Anyone standing nowhere near either of the 2 poles should be flung off into space.

Enter Gravity. The magic super strong force that keeps trillions of gallons of water stuck to a rapidly spinning globe shape, but is too weak to stop an air bubble from rising in the water.
 

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But the speed in rotations per day is always the same, even at the poles. One rotation once per day is the Earth's speed.
 
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Yes, and I wonder how much it will matter in the new heavens and the new earth and in the New Jerusalem. Hey, at least the flat-heads are kinda handy.....They can carry more dishes when they're waiting tables in the New Jerusalem Cafe. :=D:

Yeshua never looked down on the poor and those in "low" positions in society.

It's only proud mockers who do that.
 

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Speed is not a degree or circumference of a circle. It's just the measurement of the motion of an object that travels around it. The larger the circle, the more distance there is to cover. Thus, to cover a complete revolution the speed increases directly proportional to size.

:)

It depends whether you're talking about rotational speed or linear speed.

Linear speed is measured in terms of distance per time, rotational speed is measured in degrees (or radians, or grads, or whatever else) per time. Correlating the two is where the distance from the center of rotation to the object becomes relevant.
 

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Enter Gravity. The magic super strong force that keeps trillions of gallons of water stuck to a rapidly spinning globe shape, but is too weak to stop an air bubble from rising in the water.

Really Strav, you're not doing your case any favors with arguments like this.

As I mentioned before the force of gravitational attraction is a function of the two masses and the distance between them. Trillions of gallons of water has a lot of weight, an air bubble has virtually none. ETA: The use of the masses of two objects to calculate the gravitational attraction requires that an air bubble floats, simply because the force pulling the water to the earth is greater than the force pulling the bubble to the earth, therefore the water is "trying" to get to a lower point than the bubble. That then leads to the issue of whether the bubble can pass through the water (which explains why you can get bubbles "floating" in rocks but not in water).

Your comment earlier about the ball of paper and the sheet of paper is also far too simplistic to be useful, simply because you've created an invalid comparison that introduces another variable (in this case air resistance) into the equation. You might as well ask why something falls faster through air than through heavy oil.

Regarding your reply to my post earlier about commercial aircraft not flying over Antarctica, your comparison with the ISS isn't useful either. Astronauts visiting the ISS would have to accept a much higher degree of personal risk than someone getting on a plane for their annual fortnight in Florida. The observation (no planes fly over Antarctica) might support your theory but doesn't do so unequivocally. It's perfectly possible that no flights pass over Antarctica because of safety concerns in the event of a plane crash, as I mentioned earlier. The observation arguably supports both theories in equal measure, so doesn't work as support for either.

If you could demonstrate that commercial aircraft did routinely fly over Antarctica then it would disprove the flat earth theory, but the absence of such flights doesn't prove it. It's the whole "absence of evidence is not evidence of absence" thing again.

If you could demonstrate that commercial aircraft routinely flew over the ice wilderness of the Arctic circle but did not fly over the ice wilderness of Antarctica then you'd arguably have more support for the flat earth theory but even then you'd need to show that a route over Antarctica would not only be the most effective route in terms of distance but also in terms of overall commercial viability (which also includes things like passenger volume, size of plane required to make the journey etc). If a route along the lines of Melbourne to Buenos Aires looks like it would be best routed over Antarctica, but only six people wanted to make the flight every day, that would explain the reasoning behind going via somewhere else with higher volumes. To give a very loose analogy, if you look at the map of the UK it might not be immediately obvious why you'd want to change at Basingstoke if you were taking the train from Southampton to Reading. And the truth is you wouldn't really, but might not have a lot of choice. It's not that the route doesn't exist, merely that presumably passenger volumes are such that no train operators actually run trains that way. But going from Southampton to London is a profitable service, and the local shuttle service between Basingstoke and Reading is presumably profitable. So you put the two together even if, from a purely geographical perspective, it does appear to make little sense to have to change trains part way.
 
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It depends whether you're talking about rotational speed or linear speed.

Linear speed is measured in terms of distance per time, rotational speed is measured in degrees (or radians, or grads, or whatever else) per time. Correlating the two is where the distance from the center of rotation to the object becomes relevant.

If there was a bridge across all the land masses and water at the equator, and a similar bridge across all the land masses and water at the tropic of Cancer - and set at each at the same point in latitude was a car going the exact same speed starting at the exact same time, which would do a full circuit first?

More distance to cover means that one of the cars would have to be going faster. I think you need to spend a little more time understanding the Globe model to which you subscribe.
 

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If there was a bridge across all the land masses and water at the equator, and a similar bridge across all the land masses and water at the tropic of Cancer - and set at each at the same point in latitude was a car going the exact same speed starting at the exact same time, which would do a full circuit first?

More distance to cover means that one of the cars would have to be going faster. I think you need to spend a little more time understanding the Globe model to which you subscribe.

Not at all, if you put a ball on the end of a piece of string and spin it the ball is moving faster than the bit of string in your hand.

Simple mathematics here, if I've got a string 1m long with a weight on the end (bear with me, I'm going to use one of those mathematically theoretical weights that has a mass but no size), the end of the string, if swung, will follow a circle with circumference 6.28m, while a point half way along the string will follow a circle with circumference 3.14m.

If I now swing that string in a circle, such that my theoretical weight (used purely to make the string actually follow the circle), and spin the string such that it performs one complete rotation every second, then the end of the string is moving at 6.28m/s while the middle of the string is moving at 3.14m/s. That's in linear speed terms, in rotational speed terms they are both moving at 60rpm.
 

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So you guys what role, in your opinion, does the spin of the core of the Earth play in the gravitational force of the Earth? I am not a scientist, but, a nurse does have a bit of scientific knowledge, so I think I can follow your thoughts.
 

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Really Strav, you're not doing your case any favors with arguments like this.

As I mentioned before the force of gravitational attraction is a function of the two masses and the distance between them. Trillions of gallons of water has a lot of weight, an air bubble has virtually none. ETA: The use of the masses of two objects to calculate the gravitational attraction requires that an air bubble floats, simply because the force pulling the water to the earth is greater than the force pulling the bubble to the earth, therefore the water is "trying" to get to a lower point than the bubble. That then leads to the issue of whether the bubble can pass through the water (which explains why you can get bubbles "floating" in rocks but not in water).


Your comment earlier about the ball of paper and the sheet of paper is also far too simplistic to be useful, simply because you've created an invalid comparison that introduces another variable (in this case air resistance) into the equation. You might as well ask why something falls faster through air than through heavy oil.

:) Why would the fact that air resistance exists constitute an "extra variable" to make it an "invalid comparison"? You said that gravity is the function of two masses and the distance between them. Would you like to think that air resistance and aerodynamic drag do not exist just because they don't fit your overall argument?

" Trillions of gallons of water has a lot of weight, an air bubble has virtually none. "

Here we go again. Weight does not effect whether an object rises or falls. An air balloon carrying several people into the sky has a lot more weight than a piece of paper or even an air bubble - yet it rises.

The air bubble will rise in the water medium, because it is less dense than the water.
The paper will fall in the air medium, because it is more dense than air.
The paper will fall faster in the air medium if it's crumpled into a ball - has it taken on weight? No. Has it's mass changed? No. Has "gravity" suddenly become stronger? No. All that changed was it's shape, causing it to be less buoyant in the air.

Regarding your reply to my post earlier about commercial aircraft not flying over Antarctica, your comparison with the ISS isn't useful either. Astronauts visiting the ISS would have to accept a much higher degree of personal risk than someone getting on a plane for their annual fortnight in Florida. The observation (no planes fly over Antarctica) might support your theory but doesn't do so unequivocally. It's perfectly possible that no flights pass over Antarctica because of safety concerns in the event of a plane crash, as I mentioned earlier. The observation arguably supports both theories in equal measure, so doesn't work as support for either.

It's perfectly valid and useful. The only reason that Antarctica is not flown over (the official reason) is due to very low temperatures. The extremely low temperatures are caused by relative proximity to the sun on that area of the Globe, so we are told. And yet there seems to be no issue with temperature whatsoever for the ISS orbiting the whole earth. Not on the heat side (way closer to the sun at that elevation during daytime), nor on the cold side (way further away from the sun during nighttime).

If you could demonstrate that commercial aircraft did routinely fly over Antarctica then it would disprove the flat earth theory, but the absence of such flights doesn't prove it. It's the whole "absence of evidence is not evidence of absence" thing again.

Yes, it would disprove it - but the fact that they do not is not absence of evidence - especially seeing as that if we lived on a globe aircraft companies would routinely fly over Antarctica simply because between certain locations - it is the shortest route and uses the least amount of fuel and man hours.

If you could demonstrate that commercial aircraft routinely flew over the ice wilderness of the Arctic circle but did not fly over the ice wilderness of Antarctica then you'd arguably have more support for the flat earth theory but even then you'd need to show that a route over Antarctica would not only be the most effective route in terms of distance but also in terms of overall commercial viability (which also includes things like passenger volume, size of plane required to make the journey etc). If a route along the lines of Melbourne to Buenos Aires looks like it would be best routed over Antarctica, but only six people wanted to make the flight every day, that would explain the reasoning behind going via somewhere else with higher volumes. To give a very loose analogy, if you look at the map of the UK it might not be immediately obvious why you'd want to change at Basingstoke if you were taking the train from Southampton to Reading. And the truth is you wouldn't really, but might not have a lot of choice. It's not that the route doesn't exist, merely that presumably passenger volumes are such that no train operators actually run trains that way. But going from Southampton to London is a profitable service, and the local shuttle service between Basingstoke and Reading is presumably profitable. So you put the two together even if, from a purely geographical perspective, it does appear to make little sense to have to change trains part way.

Well I don't know the numbers of people traveling between locations where the shortest most convenient route is over Antarctica, so I cannot assume as you have.

But anyway, such things do not explain why no one but "designated persons" can even GO to the supposed geographic south pole. Look it up - it's in International Treaty. The people you see visiting the "south pole" aren't even going to the real one, they've set up a ceremonial site that isn't the real south pole. I've looked at the companies that host such trips - you have to sign and agree to not going into restricted areas. One of those restricted areas is where the geographic south pole is supposed to be!
 

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So you guys what role, in your opinion, does the spin of the core of the Earth play in the gravitational force of the Earth? I am not a scientist, but, a nurse does have a bit of scientific knowledge, so I think I can follow your thoughts.

In the Flat earth model, there is no "core", and whatever is below us does not spin.

By the way - the "core" of the Earth is supposed to account for magnetism, and it's said to be super super hot! No one has ever been there either. But here's the kicker - heat DE-magnetizes things! Don't believe me?

https://van.physics.illinois.edu/qa/listing.php?id=2744
 

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If there was a bridge across all the land masses and water at the equator, and a similar bridge across all the land masses and water at the tropic of Cancer - and set at each at the same point in latitude was a car going the exact same speed starting at the exact same time, which would do a full circuit first?

More distance to cover means that one of the cars would have to be going faster. I think you need to spend a little more time understanding the Globe model to which you subscribe.

Not at all, if you put a ball on the end of a piece of string and spin it the ball is moving faster than the bit of string in your hand.

Simple mathematics here, if I've got a string 1m long with a weight on the end (bear with me, I'm going to use one of those mathematically theoretical weights that has a mass but no size), the end of the string, if swung, will follow a circle with circumference 6.28m, while a point half way along the string will follow a circle with circumference 3.14m.

If I now swing that string in a circle, such that my theoretical weight (used purely to make the string actually follow the circle), and spin the string such that it performs one complete rotation every second, then the end of the string is moving at 6.28m/s while the middle of the string is moving at 3.14m/s. That's in linear speed terms, in rotational speed terms they are both moving at 60rpm.

You're not answering the question - you just evaded it.

There is less distance around the tropic of Cancer than there is around the Equator. So if you had a bridge over the whole circle of these lines of longitude, and a car at each from the same latitude, with no other cars or impediments on the bridges, and they traveled the same speed - which would arrive first?
 
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Centrifugal force is proportional to the speed (measured in revolutions per second) at which a body revolves. The Earth revolves at one revolution per day. That means it revolves at 0.00001157407407407407 revolutions per second. That's very slow. Not much speed to fling anything anywhere.
 
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