Female bishop removes crosses from church

[psalms 91]

Why is the cross not vital when that is where atonement was made?

It is in that sense I was referring to having it hang in a church but the fact they felt the need to remove it speaks volumes

 

[MoreCoffee]

For a guy who questions everything how many crosses and communion tables does your church have?

We have crucifixes in every room in the church building complex and one altar.

 

[Brighten04]

It is in that sense I was referring to having it hang in a church but the fact they felt the need to remove it speaks volumes

The cross is offensive, especially to the unbeliever. Though it should not be worshiped as an idol, as in bowing down to it, I think the display of it shows that we remember the cost of our redemption. I agree that it speaks volumes that there was a need to remove it for the unbelievers. I have noticed too that public prayers are not said in the name of Jesus Christ. The name of Jesus too is offensive to the unbeliever.

 

[MoreCoffee]

The cross is offensive, especially to the unbeliever. Though it should not be worshiped as an idol, as in bowing down to it, I think the display of it shows that we remember the cost of our redemption. I agree that it speaks volumes that there was a need to remove it for the unbelievers. I have noticed too that public prayers are not said in the name of Jesus Christ. The name of Jesus too is offensive to the unbeliever.

When I bow before a crucifix it is bowing to the Lord Jesus Christ who is the Lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world. The cross is his altar and he is the Lamb.

 

[psalms 91]

The thing is He is no longer on the cross however the cross is where we are supposed to put our old man and be renewed in fullness of what Christ has for us

 

[MoreCoffee]

The thing is He is no longer on the cross however the cross is where we are supposed to put our old man and be renewed in fullness of what Christ has for us

All those hymns about beholding the wondrous cross and being washed in the blood are about an empty cross?

 

[psalms 91]

All those hymns about beholding the wondrous cross and being washed in the blood are about an empty cross?

Is Jesus there or is He at the right hand of God seated in the heaavenlies

 

[MoreCoffee]

Is Jesus there or is He at the right hand of God seated in the heaavenlies

Both. The throne and the cross are both occupied by the eternal God.

 

[Romanos]

Is Jesus there or is He at the right hand of God seated in the heaavenlies

Hi Bill,

One question that can be posed to your question as an answer is that whether or not He is still there which He is not, but would not having the cross be a way of remembrance of what was done?

 

[Josiah]

"Lo, I (JESUS) am with you always." "Where two or three are gathered in My name, there I (JESUS) am."

Unless Jesus is not Jesus.... or Jesus mislead or misspoke.... then Jesus is more than ONLY in heaven.

 

[Josiah]

I personally prefer the Crucifix because theologically, I don't support removing Jesus and the Cross. But it IS true that BOTH the Corpus Cross and the Empty Cross have always been used.... my former Catholic Church had a BIG cross outside the building and a cross on the building that were both Empty Crosses, for example: it did NOT exclusively use the corpus cross.

 

[Lamb]

The thing is He is no longer on the cross however the cross is where we are supposed to put our old man and be renewed in fullness of what Christ has for us

My previous church had a crucifix and a cross without the bloodied Jesus on it and they were used for different church seasons. The crucifix is a good reminder that we sin and someone had to die for them. The empty cross is a reminder that the sacrifice was accepted and we're forgiven.

 

[Cassia]

My previous church had a crucifix and a cross without the bloodied Jesus on it and they were used for different church seasons. The crucifix is a good reminder that we sin and someone had to die for them. The empty cross is a reminder that the sacrifice was accepted and we're forgiven.

imo the greater truth needs no reminder if based on life chooses. But an altar for an altar call is important

 

[ImaginaryDay2]

imo the greater truth needs no reminder if based on life chooses.

So this, in a way, suggests that what the Bishop did is okay. As she stated, "Making a room available for people of other faiths does not mean that we are not defenders of our own faith." Is that a fair summary?

 

[Cassia]

So this, in a way, suggests that what the Bishop did is okay. As she stated, "Making a room available for people of other faiths does not mean that we are not defenders of our own faith." Is that a fair summary?

I have to answer on my experience of the story to date. I have seen it used for many different reasons over the years that it has been in circulation and I have actually never given it serious thought. I have instead seen the propaganda associated with it and usually unfriended those on fb that resort to such ploys. I see no reason to give further thought than to what Psalms 91 said ... The removal is what is significant to the motive.

 

[Lamb]

Do you hide your light under a bushel because it makes others uncomfortable?

 

[psalms 91]

Hi Bill,

One question that can be posed to your question as an answer is that whether or not He is still there which He is not, but would not having the cross be a way of remembrance of what was done?

That was my point I was not advocating removing the cross, the answer you quoted was in respose to a, post by MC

 

[MoreCoffee]

My parish church building has a large cross outside and, as I observed before, a crucifix in every room inside the church building complex. The church building also has only one altar.

 

[tango]

imo the greater truth needs no reminder if based on life chooses. But an altar for an altar call is important

Can't people be invited to come forward, even if not to a specific altar?

 

[MoreCoffee]

Can't people be invited to come forward, even if not to a specific altar?

Protestant Churches do not have altars