Flat or Progressive Income Tax?

Flat, Progressive or other Income Tax

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Do you think there should be a flat or progressive income tax (for the US)?
 

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I think the income tax should be low for poor people and go up for those with higher incomes. It should be assessed every year to find out if it should go up or down according to income.
 

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Do you think there should be a flat or progressive income tax (for the US)?

In principle I like the idea of a flat tax. I don't see why people should pay a higher percentage just because their income increases.

The problem with any system of taxation is that as soon as tax exemptions are allowed you create loopholes. Corporations typically deduct operating costs before income is taxed, while individuals usually don't get to do that sort of thing. Which makes it advantageous to create some kind of corporate structure and route as many expenses through it as you can get away with.

In many ways the issue of a flat or progressive tax structure is secondary to making tax easy to understand, easy to calculate, and difficult to avoid. A large part of the problem is the cost of compliance with tax law, especially if you find you get something small but unexpected that has to be declared. Some years ago my wife received an unexpected payment as a result of an inheritance - it was only a whisker over $10 but it took half an hour to figure out how to declare it on her tax return. It would have been easier if there had been a way to say to the IRS, "I got this $10 unexpectedly - here, take all of it" and not bothered with the forms.
 

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Depends I like flat tax providing everything is taxable so that those who buy more pay more thus leveling the field for those who are poorer and not have any exclusions either. If its fair then a flat tax is more equitable.
 

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What if there were a flat tax with no deductions? I heard that mentioned on the debates one evening and it seemed like a pretty decent idea.
 

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What if there were a flat tax with no deductions? I heard that mentioned on the debates one evening and it seemed like a pretty decent idea.
Basically what I am getting at, no deductions, just a flat tax on all goods and services so that those who have more to spend will pay their fair share
 

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What if there were a flat tax with no deductions? I heard that mentioned on the debates one evening and it seemed like a pretty decent idea.

In theory it sounds fine.

For an individual who pays tax on earnings it works, although I'd be inclined to provide a tax-free allowance and everything over that allowance is taxed at a flat rate.

The trouble is where corporations are concerned (and in this context "corporation" means anything from giants like Wal-Mart to the little guy working for himself), because they are taxed on profits rather than pure income. If you impose a flat tax on income and don't allow operating expenses you have to set the tax really low or the sole proprietor who ekes out a modest profit from a high turnover gets nailed to the wall. And as soon as you allow the deduction of operating expenses you create another wave of loopholes as all sorts of personal expenses get rebranded as business expenses.
 

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Basically what I am getting at, no deductions, just a flat tax on all goods and services so that those who have more to spend will pay their fair share

Abolishing income taxes and shifting all taxation to goods and services would make a lot of sense in many ways, distribute the tax burden according to how people spend rather than how they earn and also encourage saving. It could have difficult consequences if items like some foods and clothes ended up costing more, as that would hurt those at the bottom of the economic spectrum. If their income tax bill disappeared it would hopefully balance it out.

The hedge fund manager who lives like a pauper would make out like a bandit.
 

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Basically what I am getting at, no deductions, just a flat tax on all goods and services so that those who have more to spend will pay their fair share
depends on how much they buy. Just because I have the money to spend does not mean I am GOING to spend it.
 

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depends on how much they buy. Just because I have the money to spend does not mean I am GOING to spend it.
Yet they always do, it is a rare person who doesnt
 

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Yes, that can happen to some
 

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depends on how much they buy. Just because I have the money to spend does not mean I am GOING to spend it.

... and that's fine. If you manage a multibillion dollar hedge fund and barely spend any money you don't pay tax until you do spend it. What's the problem with that?

Encouraging people to save money can only be a good thing, no?
 

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... and that's fine. If you manage a multibillion dollar hedge fund and barely spend any money you don't pay tax until you do spend it. What's the problem with that?

Encouraging people to save money can only be a good thing, no?
nothing wrong with it, but whether someone pays "their fair share" will be on them to decide since it will be based strictly on how much they choose to BUY.
 
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Yeah I can see Trump giving up his planes and way of life to save on taxes. Dont think that most will do that
 

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Yeah I can see Trump giving up his planes and way of life to save on taxes. Dont think that most will do that
Well, if he chooses to pay more taxes let him.
 

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nothing wrong with it, but whether someone pays "their fair share" will be on them to decide since it will be based strictly on how much they choose to BUY.

The whole "fair share" concept is nothing more than tub thumping and rabble rousing. Who decides what someone's "fair share" of taxes is anyway? Most of the time it's just used in the context of "the rich should pay their fair share" which for most people means "people with more than me should pay more than they do so I can pay less than I do", which is selfishness dressed up as social justice.

If taxation is shifted to spending then it's impossible to avoid, there's no need for the average person to worry about tax returns at all, and if someone wants to live like a playboy they pay a lot where someone who wants to live like the Amish pays very little.
 

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Yeah I can see Trump giving up his planes and way of life to save on taxes. Dont think that most will do that

Who cares whether they do or whether they don't?

If you want a private jet you pay more in taxes. If you go without the jet you pay less in taxes. The beauty is that each person can decide for themselves, and since the tax would be based on the purchase it's impossible to avoid.
 

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Who cares whether they do or whether they don't?

If you want a private jet you pay more in taxes. If you go without the jet you pay less in taxes. The beauty is that each person can decide for themselves, and since the tax would be based on the purchase it's impossible to avoid.
Which quite frankly is fewer purchases than people realize.
 

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Which quite frankly is fewer purchases than people realize.

I'm not sure what you're trying to say there? Maybe I'm being slow today.
 
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