Is Jesus an everlasting man?

[Sword7]

How did the disciples see him ascend into heaven? As a man. The angels told them, This Jesus, who has been taken up from you into heaven, will come again in the same way as you saw him go into heaven. They saw Him go up as man and scriptures do not say he removed His humanity. Yes, His body was the new glorified body but He was still man. He ate fish in front of men to prove He was man. We too shall have glorified bodies at our resurrection.

sure .. and how long does it take for us to be transformed to become "as he is " and why would we need to be transformed if we are already like he is ? because we are not . we are flesh and blood and that cannot inherit the kingdom of god .
and back to the first Question -how long does it take for us to be transformed when he comes ? the scripture says "in the twinkling of an eye " .

but oh well . iv presented scripture .you're not requoting it .so i will assume your ignoring it in favor of your tradition . when your ready to change your thinking (rethink) and agree with God .Things will change dramatically for you .

 

[Lamb]

sure .. and how long does it take for us to be transformed to become "as he is " and why would we need to be transformed if we are already like he is ? because we are not . we are flesh and blood and that cannot inherit the kingdom of god .
and back to the first Question -how long does it take for us to be transformed when he comes ? the scripture says "in the twinkling of an eye " .

but oh well . iv presented scripture .you're not requoting it .so i will assume your ignoring it in favor of your tradition . when your ready to change your thinking (rethink) and agree with God .Things will change dramatically for you .

The Old Adam tainted with original sin (flesh and blood) cannot inherit the kingdom. But Jesus covers us in His precious blood, sacrificed for us. The New Adam lives in us alongside the Old Adam. You see, it's all about Jesus who saves us. Jesus did not give up his humanity. It's not in the scriptures at all.

 

[ImaginaryDay2]

but oh well . iv presented scripture .you're not requoting it .so i will assume your ignoring it in favor of your tradition . when your ready to change your thinking (rethink) and agree with God .Things will change dramatically for you .

Sword7 - the scripture I posted, along with the 'footnote' shows that the same Greek word is used referring to "...the man Christ Jesus" as the "mediator between God and men (people)". The man Christ Jesus i our mediator. The everlasting man. Paul makes no differentiation - i.e. a different 'substance' or 'form'.

 

[Sword7]

The Old Adam tainted with original sin (flesh and blood) cannot inherit the kingdom. But Jesus covers us in His precious blood, sacrificed for us. The New Adam lives in us alongside the Old Adam. You see, it's all about Jesus who saves us. Jesus did not give up his humanity. It's not in the scriptures at all.

odd you say this and yet .. when you die you will bury what exactly ?

 

[Sword7]

The Old Adam tainted with original sin (flesh and blood) cannot inherit the kingdom. But Jesus covers us in His precious blood, sacrificed for us. The New Adam lives in us alongside the Old Adam. You see, it's all about Jesus who saves us. Jesus did not give up his humanity. It's not in the scriptures at all.

the old man is of the flesh the New man is Of the spirit -just as the scripture states. the word of God who IS spirit .. became flesh he died on the cross for our sin to save us from our sin he lay in the ground three days and three nights and he rose again from the dead .. then he ascended
before he ascended no one knew him because we know no man after the flesh .He had to reveal himself to them. they stood with him walked with him talked with him and did not recognize him . because he is the first fruits of the new creation . the same new creation we become when we are raised up after beginning buried together with him in Baptism out of the waters of baptism ..mortality (perishable flesh and blood is swallowed up of immortality .when he comes we will be made like him we will be no longer housed (clothed ) in this corruptible body but in a new and incorruptible one (they will be "like the angels " jesus said )
if jesus were still mortal flesh and blood then why or how is it that we are to be "made like he is at his appearance "?except that he is different to we .because he is now glorified .an immortal being returned to what he was before he became man and that certainly was not flesh and blood .he Put off his heavenly form to become man and he put of flesh and blood to return to his first state restored and glorified once again . returned to the father from whence he came .

 

[Sword7]

Sword7 - the scripture I posted, along with the 'footnote' shows that the same Greek word is used referring to "...the man Christ Jesus" as the "mediator between God and men (people)". The man Christ Jesus i our mediator. The everlasting man. Paul makes no differentiation - i.e. a different 'substance' or 'form'.

as i pointed out ,that is because paul is on a completely different topic and your taking the verse utterly out of its setting .he (jesus ) is no mere carnal flesh and blood in the heavens .

 

[Sword7]

ok i'm done here with this topic. if you reply directly to me please add in and address the scriptures quoted as i addressed others verse ,otherwise we would only be discussion religious opinions .

 

[MoreCoffee]

Luk 24:36-49 As they were talking about these things, Jesus himself stood among them, and said to them, “Peace to you!” (37) But they were startled and frightened and thought they saw a spirit. (38) And he said to them, “Why are you troubled, and why do doubts arise in your hearts? (39) See my hands and my feet, that it is I myself. Touch me, and see. For a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see that I have.” (40) And when he had said this, he showed them his hands and his feet. (41) And while they still disbelieved for joy and were marveling, he said to them, “Have you anything here to eat?” (42) They gave him a piece of broiled fish, (43) and he took it and ate before them. (44) Then he said to them, “These are my words that I spoke to you while I was still with you, that everything written about me in the Law of Moses and the Prophets and the Psalms must be fulfilled.” (45) Then he opened their minds to understand the Scriptures, (46) and said to them, “Thus it is written, that the Christ should suffer and on the third day rise from the dead, (47) and that repentance for the forgiveness of sins should be proclaimed in his name to all nations, beginning from Jerusalem. (48) You are witnesses of these things. (49) And behold, I am sending the promise of my Father upon you. But stay in the city until you are clothed with power from on high.”

 

[JPPT1974]

Jesus rose from the grave on the third day to pave the way for eternity and salvation in Him through God the Father. Sitting on the right hand throne. Knowing we have life eternal with Christ as Savior and Lord.

 

[ImaginaryDay2]

ok i'm done here with this topic...

That's okay, I failed debate class too.

 

[Wilhemena]

There is a verse I never noticed concerning tense until this moment so I shall provide it for you to see that Jesus remains in bodily form: For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity dwells in bodily form. The word dwells is in the present tense meaning he still has his bodily form and that means he did not shed it which shows that old Wilhemena did not fail debate class.

 

[Sword7]

Luk 24:36-49 As they were talking about these things, Jesus himself stood among them, and said to them, “Peace to you!” (37) But they were startled and frightened and thought they saw a spirit. (38) And he said to them, “Why are you troubled, and why do doubts arise in your hearts? (39) See my hands and my feet, that it is I myself. Touch me, and see. For a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see that I have.” (40) And when he had said this, he showed them his hands and his feet. (41) And while they still disbelieved for joy and were marveling, he said to them, “Have you anything here to eat?” (42) They gave him a piece of broiled fish, (43) and he took it and ate before them. (44) Then he said to them, “These are my words that I spoke to you while I was still with you, that everything written about me in the Law of Moses and the Prophets and the Psalms must be fulfilled.” (45) Then he opened their minds to understand the Scriptures, (46) and said to them, “Thus it is written, that the Christ should suffer and on the third day rise from the dead, (47) and that repentance for the forgiveness of sins should be proclaimed in his name to all nations, beginning from Jerusalem. (48) You are witnesses of these things. (49) And behold, I am sending the promise of my Father upon you. But stay in the city until you are clothed with power from on high.”

Great scriptures ... All before he ascended .as i said.im not saying he is not man but that scripture says otherwise.Else into what are we transformed at his coming to be as he now IS ?

 

[Sword7]

There is a verse I never noticed concerning tense until this moment so I shall provide it for you to see that Jesus remains in bodily form: For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity dwells in bodily form. The word dwells is in the present tense meaning he still has his bodily form and that means he did not shed it which shows that old Wilhemena did not fail debate class.

No one said he shed it.
But scripture states he is glorified.no longer unglorified it is not a question of whether the fullness off the godhead dwells IN him bodily but what form that body is. Since we are going to be made like him .we have to consider him to be sonethibg different to the earthy flesh and blood which we are.
Considering it is written .flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of heaven.
Great your using scripture.
But again it is not a scripture speaaking about his ascended form ..its abiut a different topic. Read what leads up to a jverse and then what follows on from it. Then use the text in the context is is presented.

 

[ImaginaryDay2]

No one said he shed it.

You've been proposing that he has - that his body now is of some other type/form/essence (however you want to put it). In order for it to change in that manner, it would require the shedding of his physical body to take on his 'glorified' body. Or am I misunderstanding what you've been saying?

 

[Sword7]

There is a reason I'd never use the tern shed. Go back instead and refer to the scripture I've been posting. Don't argue with me. Reason with God.
I'm just pointing you to his word ,measure your traditions against his word not his word against your traditions. Fair enough?

 

[MoreCoffee]

Where are you going with this sword7?

 

[Sword7]

To the Word of God.
That people may stop repeating dry chalk statements fed them by men.and go back and read God's word and see that it doesn't fit into the traditions they've been force fed.
I'm just pointing you to his word ,measure your traditions against his word not his word against your traditions.

 

[ImaginaryDay2]

I remember you from elsewhere. As I recall, you don't make much sense there, either. But I'll take your advice and rely on His word.

 

[MoreCoffee]

I remember you from elsewhere. As I recall, you don't make much sense there, either. But I'll take your advice and rely on His word.

Yes, I was thinking Alithis reincarnated or something. The influences are from the same sources so maybe the person is the same person.

 

[Lamb]

There is a verse I never noticed concerning tense until this moment so I shall provide it for you to see that Jesus remains in bodily form: For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity dwells in bodily form. The word dwells is in the present tense meaning he still has his bodily form and that means he did not shed it which shows that old Wilhemena did not fail debate class.

This is awesome! Yes, he dwells in bodily form. He ascended in bodily form as the disciples saw and he remains in bodily form. The disciples saw a man rise into the heavens. He is man. A man the disciples could touch and see his wounds where he was hung on the cross. A man whose body was glorified because he could pass through the locked door. But still man. When we are resurrected we will have new bodies. 1 Corinthians states they will be immortal bodies.