A thought (or two) on unity.

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The catholic church is not the church, Christs followers are, those who preach the truth and obery Him. They come from all denominations and not your church which is not even in unity among itself. This shameless promotion is really tiresome especially since noone is buying it
 

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The catholic church is not the church, Christs followers are, those who preach the truth and obery Him. They come from all denominations and not your church which is not even in unity among itself. This shameless promotion is really tiresome especially since noone is buying it


I agree, Bill.


Christians are not an IT, Christians are US. The church is one, holy, catholic community of believers - ALL the children of God, ALL the brothers and sisters in Christ, ALL who have the divine gift of faith, ALL who have faith in Christ as Savior, ALL.... spread out over all the centuries and all the continents. And Jesus is STILL the head and lord of His church - He never resigned and never gave this to any bishop in any city (in perpetuity or otherwise), He cannot be displaced as the head of the church no matter how much some man or denomination desires the power.


So why do some denominations (the RCC and LDS for example) so loudly and passionately insist that IT is the church (at least at its fullness)? Simple: POWER. The ability to lord it over others as the Gentiles do (remember what Jesus said about that?). The ability to exempt itself from accountability. The ability to demand that all docilicly submit to it itself alone as onto Christ Himself.


I have nothing against denominations, per se. Just as Christians often associate together into congregations for the purpose of mutual fellowship, edification, worship, ministry and accountability... so congregations often associate together into denominations for the same (valid, good) reasons. It's fine. It's not required (and there were none until the 4th Century) - it's okay to be non-denom, but it's okay and IMO good to bind together into denominations, too. But NO individual person, congregation or denomination IS the church, the whole corpus of all believers, and none of them displaces Christ and is the Mouth of God, the Vicar of God, the Infallible/Unaccountable One; none of them displaces the church. And obvously, the only "UNITY" the RCC enjoys is exactly the same "UNITY" every denomination has: with itself alone (the RCC is in no way unique or better in this regard).



Thank you!


Pax Christi


- Josiah
 

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The catholic church is not the church, Christs followers are, those who preach the truth and obery Him. They come from all denominations and not your church which is not even in unity among itself. This shameless promotion is really tiresome especially since noone is buying it

The Catholic Church is Christ's faithful followers [SUP]John 10:3-4[/SUP]. That is what Church means [SUP]Matthew 16:18; 18:17; Acts 7:38[/SUP]. So when you object to the Catholic Church your objection is against the faithful in Christ who follow him wherever he leads [SUP]John 10:14-16; 1Tim 3:15[/SUP].
 

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The catholic church is not the church, Christs followers are, those who preach the truth and obey Him. They come from all denominations and not your church which is not even in unity among itself. This shameless promotion is really tiresome especially since noone is buying it

yes correct . whether it be called roman catholic or lutheran or charismatic or other is of absolutely no consequence and gives ZERO qualification . Jesus is not returning for ANY of THEM (them: being those all/any denominations) but to those who love him and are obedient to him as a result and evidence of their love .
 

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The Catholic Church is Christ's faithful followers [SUP]John 10:3-4[/SUP]. That is what Church means [SUP]Matthew 16:18; 18:17; Acts 7:38[/SUP]. So when you object to the Catholic Church your objection is against the faithful in Christ who follow him wherever he leads [SUP]John 10:14-16; 1Tim 3:15[/SUP].
No just the promotion of a particular denom, I believe in the catholic (universal body of believers, just not drinking your kool aid)
 

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yes correct . whether it be called roman catholic or lutheran or charismatic or other is of absolutely no consequence and gives ZERO qualification . Jesus is not returning for ANY of THEM (them: being those all/any denominations) but to those who love him and are obedient to him as a result and evidence of their love .

Jesus is returning for those who have faith in Him and trust in the forgiveness of sins He won for us a the cross. That's what the gospel is about, our reconciliation to Him because of Him.
 

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Jesus is returning for those who have faith in Him and trust in the forgiveness of sins He won for us a the cross. That's what the gospel is about, our reconciliation to Him because of Him.

"No eye has seen, no ear has heard, and no mind has imagined what God has prepared for those who love him " they love him because of the cross and what he has done ,because they love him they obey him as he said IF you love me ,you will keep my words .

Judas saith unto him, not Iscariot, Lord, how is it that thou wilt manifest thyself unto us, and not unto the world?

Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

"He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me."

Obedience is clearly the evidence of love for Him .and he is certainly not returning for those who do Not love him but are an enemy to him .
 
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