USA Changing their beliefs mid-term

[Lamb]

How do we deal with the politicians we've voted for who change their beliefs somewhere within their term of serving the country? I really hate it when I think I'm voting for a buy who believes as I do and then he does a 180.

 

[dogs4thewin]

Well, it depends. If he or she "changed" his or her beliefs for selfish reasons ( to get more votes next term or to get things passed and they are just pretending that is one thing. However, if they changed that beliefs after thinking things through and coming to a different conclusion; then I have no problem with that.

 

[psalms 91]

How do we deal with the politicians we've voted for who change their beliefs somewhere within their term of serving the country? I really hate it when I think I'm voting for a buy who believes as I do and then he does a 180.

Obvious answer is to vote them out but many times that just doesnt happen. I really think that mandatory term limits should apply to all politicians

 

[dogs4thewin]

Obvious answer is to vote them out but many times that just doesnt happen. I really think that mandatory term limits should apply to all politicians

Well. if they honestly change their stance that really has nothing to do with term limits.

 

[Highlander]

We do need term limits. Then we would not have career politicians who merely enrich themselves and indulge in their power.

Same with the U.S. Supreme Court. It should either be abolished, along with the federal judge system, or they should be elected officials with their own term limits -- instead of being appointed for life.

 

[psalms 91]

agreed

 

[Lamb]

We do need term limits. Then we would not have career politicians who merely enrich themselves and indulge in their power.

Same with the U.S. Supreme Court. It should either be abolished, along with the federal judge system, or they should be elected officials with their own term limits -- instead of being appointed for life.

Yes to both paragraphs!!

The U.S. Supreme Court has outlived its usefulness

 

[Josiah]

How do we deal with the politicians we've voted for who change their beliefs somewhere within their term of serving the country? I really hate it when I think I'm voting for a buy who believes as I do and then he does a 180.

The #1 issue for me is abortion.....

Ronald Reagan was pro-abortion while running for and getting elected (twice) as Governor of California, and signed into law the most liberal abortion law in the USA before Roe v. Wade. When he ran for president first in 1976, NATIONALLY Republicans tended to be pro-life so....

George Bush (the first) was pro-abortion for years and was on the Board of Directors of Planned Parenthood; he suddenly became pro-life when Reagan chose him as his running mate.

Both Bill Clinton and Al Gore were pro-life when they were politians in conversative, southern, Christian states (Al Gore actually was the keynote speaker at a National Right for Life Convention), but when they ran for president and vp, NATIONALLY, Democrats were pro-abortion so.....

Romney was pro-life as a private citizen (as Mormons tend to be), became pro-abortion when he ran for governor of Mass., then pro-life when he ran for president (twice)....

All this makes me ... uncomfortable. In the current mix, Walker and Rubio (I THINK) have always been solidly pro-life. Trump switched in the last few weeks to being pro-life. Jeb Bush was a pro-life governor but I don't know before that.



- Josiah

 

[Lamb]

Well now...all that is disturbing

The #1 issue for me is abortion.....

Ronald Reagan was pro-abortion while running for and getting elected (twice) as Governor of California, and signed into law the most liberal abortion law in the USA before Roe v. Wade. When he ran for president first in 1976, NATIONALLY Republicans tended to be pro-life so....

George Bush (the first) was pro-abortion for years and was on the Board of Directors of Planned Parenthood; he suddenly became pro-life when Reagan chose him as his running mate.

Both Bill Clinton and Al Gore were pro-life when they were politians in conversative, southern, Christian states (Al Gore actually was the keynote speaker at a National Right for Life Convention), but when they ran for president and vp, NATIONALLY, Democrats were pro-abortion so.....

Romney was pro-life as a private citizen (as Mormons tend to be), became pro-abortion when he ran for governor of Mass., then pro-life when he ran for president (twice)....

All this makes me ... uncomfortable. In the current mix, Walker and Rubio (I THINK) have always been solidly pro-life. Trump switched in the last few weeks to being pro-life. Jeb Bush was a pro-life governor but I don't know before that.



- Josiah

 

[dogs4thewin]

The #1 issue for me is abortion.....

Ronald Reagan was pro-abortion while running for and getting elected (twice) as Governor of California, and signed into law the most liberal abortion law in the USA before Roe v. Wade. When he ran for president first in 1976, NATIONALLY Republicans tended to be pro-life so....

George Bush (the first) was pro-abortion for years and was on the Board of Directors of Planned Parenthood; he suddenly became pro-life when Reagan chose him as his running mate.

Both Bill Clinton and Al Gore were pro-life when they were politians in conversative, southern, Christian states (Al Gore actually was the keynote speaker at a National Right for Life Convention), but when they ran for president and vp, NATIONALLY, Democrats were pro-abortion so.....

Romney was pro-life as a private citizen (as Mormons tend to be), became pro-abortion when he ran for governor of Mass., then pro-life when he ran for president (twice)....

All this makes me ... uncomfortable. In the current mix, Walker and Rubio (I THINK) have always been solidly pro-life. Trump switched in the last few weeks to being pro-life. Jeb Bush was a pro-life governor but I don't know before that.



- Josiah

One is not really pro-abortion. One may be pro-choice, but I do not know, nor have I ever heard of anyone who supports abortion all the time; else there would be no human race.

 

[MoreCoffee]

Killing the unborn is certainly a paramount issue and so is changing the laws of the land to enable divorce for almost no reason. And the use of artificial means of contraception also marks a departure from historical Christian moral values. Yet these are approved (or at least passed over in silence) but the vast majority of professing Christians.

There's been moral prevarication for centuries and no political parties have taken a stand to correct it. In a democracy, especially a secular democracy, the voters decide what is good and what is not and God plays an ever diminishing role in the majority's thinking ... looking back to the "founding fathers" for guidance only works for some minor issues such as taxation and the free market and whatever is seen as an economic issue that conservatives and progressives differ about. The core issues of morality were long ago dismissed by conservative and progressive alike.

 

[dogs4thewin]

Killing the unborn is certainly a paramount issue and so is changing the laws of the land to enable divorce for almost no reason. And the use of artificial means of contraception also marks a departure from historical Christian moral values. Yet these are approved (or at least passed over in silence) but the vast majority of professing Christians.

There's been moral prevarication for centuries and no political parties have taken a stand to correct it. In a democracy, especially a secular democracy, the voters decide what is good and what is not and God plays an ever diminishing role in the majority's thinking ... looking back to the "founding fathers" for guidance only works for some minor issues such as taxation and the free market and whatever is seen as an economic issue that conservatives and progressives differ about. The core issues of morality were long ago dismissed by conservative and progressive alike.

The thing is, this is secular and quite frankly I would not WANT to live somewhere that was not; that has been tried and has a very poor tract record. As for birth control, I would much rather people use birth control than have kids they do not want or cannot/will not take care of.

 

[MoreCoffee]

The thing is, this is secular and quite frankly I would not WANT to live somewhere that was not; that has been tried and has a very poor tract record. As for birth control, I would much rather people use birth control than have kids they do not want or cannot/will not take care of.

I see your point, and I would not willingly live in or stay for a holiday/vacation in an Islamic kingdom (such as Saudi Arabia, Jordan, The United Emirates) precisely because their laws are decided by their religion (I happen to regard their religion as being in serious error) so I would not be very keen on living in a country where the morals of some sect of Christianity were enacted as laws of the land. But that is the point I am making in my previous post, though I made it circuitously. The laws of the land, civil law, will not always reflect Christian morality and it is a serious mistake for Christians to look to politicians, kings, emirs, and princes for the might that makes them (the Christians) right in debates about morality.

 

[psalms 91]

Now you are right but at one time you wouldnt get elected without holding to those Christian beliefs. If Christians would stick together we could be a mighty political force helping to shape our laws

 

[MoreCoffee]

Now you are right but at one time you wouldnt get elected without holding to those Christian beliefs. If Christians would stick together we could be a mighty political force helping to shape our laws

Many people who identify as Christian for the census and for other purposes are not. Can all the name-it-and-claim-it devotees be followers of the Lord Jesus Christ while they make the pursuit of money their god? I suppose only God can answer that. For me the doctrine and practises of people point to where their treasure is. If it is here on Earth in worldly success such as the acquisition of wealth and importance and fame then I fear for their souls. May God have mercy on us all.

Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth, where moth and rust doth corrupt, and where thieves break through and steal: But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust doth corrupt, and where thieves do not break through nor steal: For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also. (Matthew 6:19-21 KJV)