Thoughts on $15 hour minimum wage in US?

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And for all those struggling, who may not have access or opportunity or even intelligence for college? In a country like this I think minimum wage should reflect a standard of living that is at least able to buy food, clothes and shelter. If you work that should be the least that you should expect.

I have no college education. I provide a house for my family. I have a wife and five kids. Not the biggest house. No new cars. Am I'm not entitled to any of those things.


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I have no college education. I provide a house for my family. I have a wife and five kids. Not the biggest house. No new cars. Am I'm not entitled to any of those things.


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Slice it any way you want that is the basics of life and all should have access to that
 

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Slice it any way you want that is the basics of life and all should have access to that

The basics are food and water and clothes.


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Neat. And all of this has nothing to with the topic. Nobody is entitled to a car.


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What economic benefit is anybody entitled to?
 

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Not sure what that has to do with the topic.


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It means that the USA very likely will have a $15/hour minimum wage and nearly everybody who is currently below that will be glad of it in the end.
 

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It means that the USA very likely will have a $15/hour minimum wage and nearly everybody who is currently below that will be glad of it in the end.

Right. Because people like free stuff.


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And for all those struggling, who may not have access or opportunity or even intelligence for college? In a country like this I think minimum wage should reflect a standard of living that is at least able to buy food, clothes and shelter. If you work that should be the least that you should expect.

You still can't overcome the fundamental economic reality that if wages go up prices will follow, and if prices go up the increase in wages doesn't actually gain people anything. If the people currently on $8/hour start getting $15/hour what do you suppose will happen to the people who are now on $12/hour? Will they be satisfied moving from 150% of minimum wage to 100% of minimum wage? Or will they get bumped up to more like $22/hour, in which case what about the people who were on $20/hour? You'll inevitably get a degree of compression in wage differentials but fundamentally it's not as simple as those currently on minimum wage getting more.

It's easy to devalue the currency, and all it does is tricks people into feeling better off for a while until they realise they didn't actually gain anything at all and stop spending again. Along the way you crucify people who have saved their entire life, and people on a fixed income. And so as the currency devalues the minimum wage won't buy any more than it does now, it will just involve bigger numbers. And along the way anyone who is unlikely to ever add enough value to justify paying them the new minimum wage is condemned to a lifetime of unemployment.
 

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so you're back to $0 as minimum wage.

$0/hour will be the wage of people who can't justify why an employer should pay them $15/hour. I'd rather have the chance to work for $8/hour than be forever condemned to the economic scrapheap because nobody is willing to pay me $15/hour while the government prohibits me from selling my time for less.
 

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I believe the illegals do it all the time, it is called day labor
 

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Right. Because people like free stuff.


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Since it is wages it isn't free, it is payment for work done.
 

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Back to what is acceptable to provide the essentials, do you think less than 15 dollars an hour would do that?
 

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Back to what is acceptable to provide the essentials, do you think less than 15 dollars an hour would do that?

What makes you think that it's the responsibility of a business to provide essentials?


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Since it is wages it isn't free, it is payment for work done.

No, it's not. A business decides what each job is worth. Once someone comes in and says that it should be more than that, it's free money.

And I'm still waiting to hear why 100 an hour isn't better.


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What makes you think that it's the responsibility of a business to provide essentials?


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I guess because their greed has hurt workers and companuies are proven to take advantage. The sad thing is that companies like microsoft that provide for their workers are shown to be more productive with less turnover than companies who just take advantage of their workers. Unions were formed because of the greed and excess of companies, so yes, I think that a minimum wage is not only necessary but also good for everyone.
 

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I guess because their greed has hurt workers and companuies are proven to take advantage. The sad thing is that companies like microsoft that provide for their workers are shown to be more productive with less turnover than companies who just take advantage of their workers. Unions were formed because of the greed and excess of companies, so yes, I think that a minimum wage is not only necessary but also good for everyone.

That didn't answer the question. What makes you think it's the responsibility of a company to provide essentials?


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