God Does NOT Heal All - CHRISTIAN Discussion

[tango]

This refers to SPIRITUAL healing of our sins.... it is an affirmation of the Gospel that (sadly) you have abandoned. It does not refer to physical healing (HINT: if it did, no Christian would ever be physically sick and while you may try to deny it, Christians DO get physically sick - and most Christians physically die from such).

If it did refer to physical healing it does raise the question of why God allows sickness to occur in the first place if he's only going to snap his fingers and make it go away again the moment a Christian notices it and claims their healing. It almost paints a picture of God as some kind of bumbling half-wit who needs to be periodically reminded to keep his promises.

It also raises the question asked by Satan about Job, namely whether we are truly willing to give up everything in this life for the sake of Christ or whether we're just good customers who stick around as long as the good times keep rolling.

When Jesus said we should expect persecution, maybe he meant persecution that didn't involve pain and suffering. Although I'm not sure quite what such persecution would look like. Maybe we can look forward to little more than a bit of light-hearted name-calling, with healing guaranteed for any hurt feelings of course.

 

[tango]

By the way Alithis, I don't think you never replied to my earlier comment comparing the parent who allows their child to climb a tree knowing they will fall and hurt themselves once in a while as a way to allow their child to grow, to the parent who lets the child get part way up the tree before violently kicking them out of the tree.

There's a big difference between allowing something to happen and causing it to happen.

 

[Hammster]

yes ,she told us she had the pain for years .. now she doesnt .

as to your question .. NO .. i maintained that the person being prayed for does not require faith ..
the person praying does .
sometimes the prayee has a lot of faith (ref:the centurion ) some times they have none (ref:lazarus- he was dead )
Jeuss told US to heal the sick .. he didn't tell us to beg they be healed ,plead they be healed or hope they be healed .. he just said to do it .
we wont learn how if we sit around expounding on our experiences where a person did not get healed yet ..and building a doctrine based on our experience .
as we go and obey god honours his word , as we beleive ,all things become possible and faith grows .. i beleive in healing more now then i ever have before , because i have begun to see people being healed ..so my faith is strengthening ..

before ,when i did not obey and go out and lay hands on the sick ..i saw NONE get healed - interesting isn't it .
we dont obey -we see nothing \
we obrey - we see result ...

its just like holding a seed of wheat in your pocket .. if you keep it there it remains one seed

if you GO out .. and plant it , it can become hundreds of seeds ...
thats the kingdom of god for you -use it or lose it

to him that has more will be given , to him that has not, even what he has w ill be take away and given to him that has much .. -pp

Then do what you need to do for my wife to be healed, or just shut up.

 

[Alithis]

It is His PRIMARY will that sickness, sin, wrong, evil, death NOT exist at all.
It is His SECONDARY will that such be allowed. If such were not the case, they would not exist.

But this has been explained to you over and over and over - including in this thread - but you are extremely proficient at evading and ignoring things posted to you.





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Based on what ? Your opinion.?
Whats the scripture say

 

[Alithis]

Then do what you need to do for my wife to be healed, or just shut up.

I continue to believe for my wife.
Faith is calling those things which are not as though they already are.
Its really difficult to abide in at times..a constant battle.. But i will notcast off hope nor faith. Love doesnt give up

 

[Alithis]

By the way Alithis, I don't think you never replied to my earlier comment comparing the parent who allows their child to climb a tree knowing they will fall and hurt themselves once in a while as a way to allow their child to grow, to the parent who lets the child get part way up the tree before violently kicking them out of the tree.

There's a big difference between allowing something to happen and causing it to happen.

There is indeed. And there is a big difference between letting them fall onto some soft green lawn or a broken steel bin of disease.sickness is the enemies doing through sin .
We are give Dominion over him again br christ in christ through christ in us.

 

[Alithis]

If it did refer to physical healing it does raise the question of why God allows sickness to occur in the first place if he's only going to snap his fingers and make it go away again the moment a Christian notices it and claims their healing. It almost paints a picture of God as some kind of bumbling half-wit who needs to be periodically reminded to keep his promises.

It also raises the question asked by Satan about Job, namely whether we are truly willing to give up everything in this life for the sake of Christ or whether we're just good customers who stick around as long as the good times keep rolling.

When Jesus said we should expect persecution, maybe he meant persecution that didn't involve pain and suffering. Although I'm not sure quite what such persecution would look like. Maybe we can look forward to little more than a bit of light-hearted name-calling, with healing guaranteed for any hurt feelings of course.

Ok so you inherit a proprty .it legaly rightfully yours. You have to go get it.
(Refer: the book of joshua)but when you go to move in ohh opps some illegal squatters. ..
You tell them theygotta go.
But they laugh at you and slam the door.
You go back to the authorities and they tell you (spiritual principles not american law) its your lrgal right to force those illegal tennats out using force.
So now you go back understanding you have the authority behind you.
Undrstanding this enables you to go in and force that tennant out .
A..you believe the authority granted you and its power and do it
B..you dont believe it and so never get to pocess your rightfull inheritance
C...your afraid.(which is why we are commanded to fear not ,as fear of man is a snare that traps us)

What God has given us as our right as his sons.. Only makes Us the bumbling idiots ic we do not go and pocess what he has promised,.
And at times its a battle to do so.and force must be applied.
As Jesus said. The kingdom of heaven suffers violence and the violent take it by force.

Miunderstandin his authority in us as his own sons.leads to the error .