Do I need the Gospel after becoming a Christian?

[TurtleHare]

except he misquoted and presented the verses out of order and out of context . you would realise that when you go and read the whole letter of john .paul peter and james -they all agree

And here I thought they all pointed to the Savior.

 

[Alithis]

And here I thought they all pointed to the Savior.

whom we are to obey .

 

[psalms 91]

whom we are to obey .

Obedience is better than sacrifice

 

[Cassia]

depends what is meant by the question .

we do not need to hear it again if we have listened to it (responded in obedience to it )but we now need to go and live it .
the Good news is an instructive message -it goes forth as seed .
but it falls on four distinctive differing soils and what grows from the seed does not ensure all who receive it are saved by it due to the type of soil it falls upon .
But we do get to decide what soil we are by the choices we are set free to make and "what choices" we make in light of receiving the message .

What's distinctive about this post is the soils. Rebirth comes from hearing the word of God which all 4 types did and received. Is that not the criteria for salvation. It seems to me that only 1/4 of those saved are commended by the Lord to develope into maturity and ready for the harvest and are worthy of rewards

 

[psalms 91]

What's distinctive about this post is the soils. Rebirth comes from hearing the word of God which all 4 types did and received. Is that not the criteria for salvation. It seems to me that only 1/4 of those saved are commended by the Lord to develope into maturity and ready for the harvest and are worthy of rewards

Personally from what I see in the church Idoubt it is a quarter

 

[Cassia]

Personally from what I see in the church Idoubt it is a quarter

I guess they're just trickling in now ;-)

 

[psalms 91]

Or else it is everyone throughout history perhaps

 

[Cassia]

Or else it is everyone throughout history perhaps

those are my thoughts

 

[Lamb]

Obedience is better than sacrifice

God doesn't want my sacrifice since Jesus was the perfect sacrifice. The Holy Spirit guides me into obeying but we know that we ALL sin and fall short the glory of God.

 

[Alithis]

God doesn't want my sacrifice since Jesus was the perfect sacrifice. The Holy Spirit guides me into obeying but we know that we ALL sin and fall short the glory of God.

Therefore I urge you, brothers, on account of God’s mercy, to offer your bodies as living sacrifices, holy and pleasing to God, which is your spiritual service of worship. 2Do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind. Then you will be able to discern what is the good, pleasing, and perfect will of God.… :rom 12 -1..

 

[Lamb]

Ah, but you see, the reference bill made to sacrifice is a different meaning of the word than what you've quoted. I'm sure you realize that though?

 

[TurtleHare]

its a bit embarrasing when you say. my interpretation.
look at the post you replied to. there is no interpretation offered. just the scripture quoted.
its the scripture your not liking.

its what is written your opposing .
not me.. i didnt write it.
youll have to explain to John how hes got it wrong .. ...

John didn't get anything wrong but the way you use scripture to try to prove a point without realizing how Law and Gospel works is your failure to realize that you're misinterpretating the word of God. It's been pointed out to you and yet you think everyone's just sayin that they're arguing with scripture yet you're so blind you don't realize that your interpretation with how your using the word to prove your point is what people argue with, are you with me? Probs not.

 

[Alithis]

Ah, but you see, the reference bill made to sacrifice is a different meaning of the word than what you've quoted. I'm sure you realize that though?

doesnt change a thing

it is still written
Therefore I urge you, brothers, on account of God’s mercy, to offer your bodies as living sacrifices, holy and pleasing to God, which is your spiritual service of worship. 2Do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind. Then you will be able to discern what is the good, pleasing, and perfect will of God.… :rom 12 -1..

 

[Alithis]

John didn't get anything wrong but the way you use scripture to try to prove a point without realizing how Law and Gospel works is your failure to realize that you're misinterpretating the word of God. It's been pointed out to you and yet you think everyone's just sayin that they're arguing with scripture yet you're so blind you don't realize that your interpretation with how your using the word to prove your point is what people argue with, are you with me? Probs not.

without any added interpretation.. which part of this scripture do you disagree with ?



See what great love the Father has lavished on us, that we should be called children of God! And that is what we are! The reason the world does not know us is that it did not know him. Dear friends, now we are children of God, and what we will be has not yet been made known. But we know that when Christ appears, we shall be like him, for we shall see him as he is. All who have this hope in him purify themselves, just as he is pure.
Everyone who sins breaks the law; in fact, sin is lawlessness. But you know that he appeared so that he might take away our sins. And in him is no sin. No one who lives in him keeps on sinning. No one who continues to sin has either seen him or known him.
Dear children, do not let anyone lead you astray. The one who does what is right is righteous, just as he is righteous. The one who does what is sinful is of the devil, because the devil has been sinning from the beginning. The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the devil’s work. No one who is born of God will continue to sin, because God’s seed remains in them; they cannot go on sinning, because they have been born of God. This is how we know who the children of God are and who the children of the devil are: Anyone who does not do what is right is not God’s child, nor is anyone who does not love their brother and sister.

it is not a very often presented scripture .. many so called believers dont like it so they tuck in away at the back of the bible and try not to think about it .. because it plainly states that many of them are not actual saved ...its a very sharp text .it cuts to the bone of the mater .

 

[Lamb]

doesnt change a thing

it is still written
Therefore I urge you, brothers, on account of God’s mercy, to offer your bodies as living sacrifices, holy and pleasing to God, which is your spiritual service of worship. 2Do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind. Then you will be able to discern what is the good, pleasing, and perfect will of God.… :rom 12 -1..

http://www.wlchapel.org/worship/daily-devotion/romans_1212/
Paul’s point is that there is a difference between a sacrificed animal and a sacrificed life of faith. Our sacrifice comes from the part of us that is rational, that thinks, and that communicates (logikos is derived from logos, ‘word, communication’). Our act of worship, whether we call it a spiritual act (NIV-84), a reasonable act (KJV) or a “true and proper” act (new NIV), is an act that comes from thanks rather than a desire to atone for sin.

 

[MoreCoffee]

It doesn't say that in the bible

Romans 12:1 I urge you, then, brothers, remembering the mercies of God, to offer your bodies as a living sacrifice, dedicated and acceptable to God; that is the kind of worship for you, as sensible people.

 

[Lamb]

Paul is making reference to this from Torah. He is in no way saying that our obeying is better than Jesus' atonement for our death. We GET to obey out of faith because of Jesus.


1 Samuel 15:22New American Standard Bible (NASB)

22 Samuel said,

“Has the Lord as much delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices
As in obeying the voice of the Lord?
Behold, to obey is better than sacrifice,
And to heed than the fat of rams.

 

[MoreCoffee]

Paul is making reference to this from Torah. He is in no way saying that our obeying is better than Jesus' atonement for our death. We GET to obey out of faith because of Jesus.


1 Samuel 15:22New American Standard Bible (NASB)

22 Samuel said,

“Has the Lord as much delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices
As in obeying the voice of the Lord?
Behold, to obey is better than sacrifice,
And to heed than the fat of rams.

You think that Romans 12:1 is referring to 1 Sam 15:22?

 

[Alithis]

http://www.wlchapel.org/worship/daily-devotion/romans_1212/
Paul’s point is that there is a difference between a sacrificed animal and a sacrificed life of faith. Our sacrifice comes from the part of us that is rational, that thinks, and that communicates (logikos is derived from logos, ‘word, communication’). Our act of worship, whether we call it a spiritual act (NIV-84), a reasonable act (KJV) or a “true and proper” act (new NIV), is an act that comes from thanks rather than a desire to atone for sin.

i have never said other wise - i dont preach doing good to atone for sin,never have never will

 

[Lamb]

You think that Romans 12:1 is referring to 1 Sam 15:22?

Yes. A lot of scripture in the New Testament refers back to the ones in the Old Testament.