Can you be sinless for even one second?

[Lamb]

Lutherans do not encourage or invite people to sin. Wrong information being spouted.

 

[psalms 91]

ok lets take one issue. Who ordains practicing homosexuals? Who encourages the lifestyle by saying it isnt sin? Then you have at least part of the ansawer

 

[Alithis]

Lutherans do not encourage or invite people to sin. Wrong information being spouted.

should we continue to practice sin.. when we know the action is sin?
or should we cease doing it?(also called repentance.) what say you?

 

[Josiah]

Alithis -

Just who are these sinless people you constantly, perpertually, in every thread talk about? These who are obedient, who have ceased sin, who never miss the mark and always hit the mark? Who are they? IF your theology is correct, they MUST exist. Yet, how long have you been requested to identify them? ALL I've asked for is just 10 names... just TEN out of 7.3 BILLION people on the planet (that's a really small percentage), just 10 living persons who have ceased sin, who never miss the mark and always hit the mark (and thus are obedient)... who prove Scripture wrong when it says "No one is righteous, no, not even one" "if anyone claims to be without sin he is a liar." Just 10. So far, you haven't even given ONE name, not even ONE. Is this because there isn't one and your theology is wrong (and Scripture is right)?




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[Alithis]

Alithis -

Just who are these sinless people you constantly, perpertually, in every thread talk about? These who are obedient, who have ceased sin, who never miss the mark and always hit the mark? Who are they? IF your theology is correct, they MUST exist. Yet, how long have you been requested to identify them? ALL I've asked for is just 10 names... just TEN out of 7.3 BILLION people on the planet (that's a really small percentage), just 10 living persons who have ceased sin, who never miss the mark and always hit the mark (and thus are obedient)... who prove Scripture wrong when it says "No one is righteous, no, not even one" "if anyone claims to be without sin he is a liar." Just 10. So far, you haven't even given ONE name, not even ONE. Is this because there isn't one and your theology is wrong (and Scripture is right)?




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should we continue to practice sin.. when we know the action is sin?
or should we cease doing it?(also called repentance.) what say you?

and i have never raised anything ever about any 'sinless' people . .. i quoted scripture thats sates " dont continue in the practice of sin".. so stop posting a LIE .and asking where are these sinless people when no one has ever said there are sinless people .

 

[psalms 91]

What do you think, of course but not everyone is able to break free right away as you know

 

[Josiah]

and i have never raised anything ever about any 'sinless' people .

Since you came to this site, you have been on a RANT about all these folks who have ceased to sin, who are obedient But you persistently REFUSE to identify these people. If they exist, why can't you name any? I asked for just 10, only TEN living persons on the Planet Earth..... 10 out of 7,300,000,000...... folks who have ceased sin, folks who never miss the mark ("sin") and always hit the mark ("sinless"), who do all God commands ('obey') and never otherwise (disobedient). But you don't seem to know any. For awhile, you seemed to imply YOU are the one on the Planet.... but when I suggested perhaps you could ask your wife to post here that you are sinless, you stopped so suggesting.

i quoted scripture thats sates " dont continue in the practice of sin".

Agreed, but you keep ignoring what you post and state that "we" cease to sin, "we" are obedient. You just won't identify who these "we" are. Why is that? I agree - the LAW says we are to be righteous, obedient, sinless . But it does NOT say that ANYONE is righteous, obedient, sinless - THAT'S where many here have disagreed with you, your insistence that such exists but your persistent refusal to identify even ONE homo sapien on the planet who is. You keep confusing Law and Gospel.... entangling them.... diluting them.... making the Gospel subject to the Law thus why you rarely mention mercy, forgiveness, the Cross, the Blood.




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[Alithis]

What do you think, of course but not everyone is able to break free right away as you know

no, those that do not beleive -cant
those that do not know - cant
those who have repented and been born again of the spirit of god .. are already free. and CAN . JEsus made it so. he changed the game ..he won it he didn't just level the playing field he smashed the opposition .

 

[Alithis]

Since you came to this site, you have been on a RANT about all these folks who have ceased to sin, who are obedient But you persistently REFUSE to identify these people. If they exist, why can't you name any? I asked for just 10, only TEN living persons on the Planet Earth..... 10 out of 7,300,000,000...... folks who have ceased sin, folks who never miss the mark ("sin") and always hit the mark ("sinless"), who do all God commands ('obey') and never otherwise (disobedient). But you don't seem to know any. For awhile, you seemed to imply YOU are the one on the Planet.... but when I suggested perhaps you could ask your wife to post here that you are sinless, you stopped so suggesting.






Agreed, but you keep ignoring what you post and state that "we" cease to sin, "we" are obedient. You just won't identify who these "we" are. Why is that? I agree - the LAW says we are to be righteous, obedient, sinless . But it does NOT say that ANYONE is righteous, obedient, sinless - THAT'S where many here have disagreed with you, your insistence that such exists but your persistent refusal to identify even ONE homo sapien on the planet who is. You keep confusing Law and Gospel.... entangling them.... diluting them.... making the Gospel subject to the Law thus why you rarely mention mercy, forgiveness, the Cross, the Blood.




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two things ..- since i came here i have posted scripture and stood by it ..
as for your questions .. i guess there are many i have not read .being that for the most part i ignore you .
the rest of this is just twisting my words in your usual dishonest method ..i get it .. you dont like me or the scriptures i share .
feel free to place me on ignore but cease the personal attacks.. thanks .

 

[Alithis]

[MENTION=13]Josiah[/MENTION] -should we continue to practice sin.. when we know the action is sin?
or should we cease doing it?(also called repentance.) what say you?

 

[Alithis]

Lutherans do not encourage or invite people to sin. Wrong information being spouted.

should we continue to practice sin.. when we know the action is sin?
or should we cease doing it?(also called repentance.) what say you?

 

[Josiah]

[MENTION=13]Josiah[/MENTION] -should we continue to practice sin.. when we know the action is sin?
or should we cease doing it?(also called repentance.) what say you?

LAW: We must be perfect - just as and to the same extent that God in Heaven is perfect. 24/7. Perfectly. ANYTHING less than that - at any moment from conception to death - in our being, nature, thought, words or deeds - in what is done and left undone is "missing the mark" and thus sin and thus condemned. We must be holy - just as and to the same extent that God in Heaven is holy and righteous. 24/7. Perfectly. ANYTHING less than that - at any moment from conception to death - in our being, nature, thought, words or deeds - in what is done and left undone is "missing the mark" and thus sin and thus condemned. We must be loving - just as and to the same extent that Christ on the Cross loves. 24/7. Perfectly. ANYTHING less than that - at any moment from conception to death - in our being, nature, thought, words or deeds - in what is done and left undone is "missing the mark" and thus sin and thus condemned. We must love the Lord with ALL (100%, not - NOT - 99,9%) of our heart and soul and mind 24/7. Perfectly. ANYTHING less than that - at any moment from conception to death - in our being, nature, thought, words or deeds - in what is done and left undone is "missing the mark" and thus sin and thus condemned. We SHOULD yes, but it's much much much stronger than that: we MUST. DO YOU? Do you???? IF SO, then you cease to sin and are obedient. IF NOT, then you sin and are condemned and deserve death and hell. The Bible says to Christians, "NO ONE is righteous, no, not even one." All present tense, written to Christians in the NT. The Bible says, "If anyone claims to be without sin, he is a LAIR and deceives only himself." All present tense, written to Christians, in the NT.



GOSPEL: Because of God's unconditional love and favor, because of CHRIST'S holiness, CHRIST'S obedience, CHRIST'S righteouness, CHRIST'S works, CHRIST'S love, CHRIST'S keeping the Law, CHRIST'S life, CHRIST'S death, CHRIST'S Blood, CHRIST'S Cross, CHRIST'S resurrection, solely and only and exclusively because of CHRIST as THE one and only and unique and exclusive and singular and sufficient SAVIOR.... in view of the Cross..... God forgives our sins (PROMISE of such where there is repentance and faith, but may be extended even where those things do not exist). Forgives 24/7. 77 times 7.


The Gospel is not cancelled out, negated, destroyed by the Law making Christ a bad joke and waste of blood. Nor does the Gospel negate or eliminate the Law. We ARE sinners.... we ARE forgiven.



SOLI Gratia - SOLUS Christus - SOLI Fide!!!!! Soli DEO Gloria!



- Josiah



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[Lamb]

Should we continue to practice? NO.

DO we still sin? YES!

Are there those who refuse to see the obvious? YES

Are we covered by Christ's righteousness? YES

Do we still sin? YES Again. YES.

Let's not forget that Jesus came to earth to die for us because we couldn't save ourselves. It's why we're CHRISTIANS.

 

[Alithis]

Should we continue to practice? NO.

DO we still sin? YES!

Are there those who refuse to see the obvious? YES

Are we covered by Christ's righteousness? YES

Do we still sin? YES Again. YES.

Let's not forget that Jesus came to earth to die for us because we couldn't save ourselves. It's why we're CHRISTIANS.

DO we still sin? yes we can .. do we "have to " ? NO, we choose to -is that wrong - yes !the word says we should NOT yield the members of our body to serve sin.. (roms)

Are there those who refuse to see the obvious? YES agreed

Are we covered by Christ's righteousness? YES as we abide IN him and he abides IN us ..are we abiding in him while in the act of committing a sin we know to be a sin ? NOPE . we are abiding in the sin.


Let's not forget that Jesus came to earth to die for us because we couldn't save ourselves.- Agreed - he came to save us FROM our sin .. not leave us as slaves to it .
so in his salvation he has made full provision to enable us by HIS power to OVERCOME as HE overcame .
if sin is no longer our master .. why should we serve it? let us not limit his salvation but embrace the fullness of it .

so it comes back to.. do believers sin ?.. they can , but according to the word of god they have been set free ,so they Do not have to . We know that our old self was crucified with him in order that the body of sin might be brought to nothing, so that we would no longer be enslaved to sin.

so to those that say we still do "AS IF" we have no choice in the matter ,as if we are still slaves to it i ask .. if you are free and so do not HAVE to sin the sin your speaking of ... why do you do it ?it suggests you are not yet free .

are you saying that ? are you saying we have no choice in the matter and HAVE to sin beyond any choice ? you may clarify.

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What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin that grace may abound? By no means! How can we who died to sin still live in it? Do you not know that all of us who have been baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death? We were buried therefore with him by baptism into death, in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, we too might walk in newness of life. For if we have been united with him in a death like his, we shall certainly be united with him in a resurrection like his. ...

 

[TurtleHare]

Alithis -

Just who are these sinless people you constantly, perpertually, in every thread talk about? These who are obedient, who have ceased sin, who never miss the mark and always hit the mark? Who are they? IF your theology is correct, they MUST exist. Yet, how long have you been requested to identify them? ALL I've asked for is just 10 names... just TEN out of 7.3 BILLION people on the planet (that's a really small percentage), just 10 living persons who have ceased sin, who never miss the mark and always hit the mark (and thus are obedient)... who prove Scripture wrong when it says "No one is righteous, no, not even one" "if anyone claims to be without sin he is a liar." Just 10. So far, you haven't even given ONE name, not even ONE. Is this because there isn't one and your theology is wrong (and Scripture is right)?




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You know he's never going to reply to you because he has no answer for you and he knows it yet he continues to try to push his beliefs and hoping that maybe he's one of those few sinless people he insists are here on the earth. You and I both know he's dishonest.

 

[Lamb]

DO we still sin? yes we can .. do we "have to " ? NO, we choose to -is that wrong - yes !the word says we should NOT yield the members of our body to serve sin.. (roms)

Are there those who refuse to see the obvious? YES agreed

Are we covered by Christ's righteousness? YES as we abide IN him and he abides IN us ..are we abiding in him while in the act of committing a sin we know to be a sin ? NOPE . we are abiding in the sin.


Let's not forget that Jesus came to earth to die for us because we couldn't save ourselves.- Agreed - he came to save us FROM our sin .. not leave us as slaves to it .
so in his salvation he has made full provision to enable us by HIS power to OVERCOME as HE overcame .
if sin is no longer our master .. why should we serve it? let us not limit his salvation but embrace the fullness of it .

so it comes back to.. do believers sin ?.. they can , but according to the word of god they have been set free ,so they Do not have to . We know that our old self was crucified with him in order that the body of sin might be brought to nothing, so that we would no longer be enslaved to sin.

so to those that say we still do "AS IF" we have no choice in the matter ,as if we are still slaves to it i ask .. if you are free and so do not HAVE to sin the sin your speaking of ... why do you do it ?it suggests you are not yet free .

are you saying that ? are you saying we have no choice in the matter and HAVE to sin beyond any choice ? you may clarify.

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What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin that grace may abound? By no means! How can we who died to sin still live in it? Do you not know that all of us who have been baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death? We were buried therefore with him by baptism into death, in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, we too might walk in newness of life. For if we have been united with him in a death like his, we shall certainly be united with him in a resurrection like his. ...

And yet, do you love the Lord God with all your heart, as in every single moment of your life? Are you sure? I bet you fail just like the rest of us. I bet you create little gods in your life. I bet you turn away and think you're doing great, but in actuality, you fail just like the rest of us. You just are not brave enough to admit it.

 

[Alithis]

You know he's never going to reply to you because he has no answer for you and he knows it yet he continues to try to push his beliefs and hoping that maybe he's one of those few sinless people he insists are here on the earth. You and I both know he's dishonest.

Did God lie ? did he not make us the righteousness of god in Christ jesus ? i agree with what God says .. and you charge me with dishonesty for doing so ?
do you not yet know that jesus came to set us free from sin and that one whom is set free need not serve the master they are set free from.. do you beleive that JEsus came to set you free ... was he being dishonest when he said . "whom the son sets free is free indeed " you need to think again.

 

[Alithis]

And yet, do you love the Lord God with all your heart, as in every single moment of your life? Are you sure? I bet you fail just like the rest of us. I bet you create little gods in your life. I bet you turn away and think you're doing great, but in actuality, you fail just like the rest of us. You just are not brave enough to admit it.

i have never ever said i dont ever sin.. i have said we dont ever HAVE TO ..And that those who are born of god dont continue to do so.. they cease from doing so..just as the word of GD states .
and yes i love the lord with all my heart .. who wouldnt ? when did you become the devil's advocate trying to accuse me of sin? do we not already have an accuser ? wil accusing me of sin excuse any one else's ? nope . will it excuse you or any one else from the command that all men everywhere are to repent . ? nope .
why dos it make you so angry that i beleive what the lord JEsus has done for us .. yes ! WHAT HE has DONE for us ..
i encourage ALL everywhere to BELIEVE that they too can be freed from their sin -that they may now serve god .. freed from one harsh taskmaster ..to now ,in love for him serve he who saved us ..

not ignore him and carry on doing what we did before he saved us as if we have no choice .

i endeavor to let not a day go by in which i share this good news with one whom the lord tells me to do so seeking ALWAYS the lost to be saved and those estranged to be reconciled to god as he has given us the ministry of reconciliation having reconciled us unto himself in christ . he has saved us and he now indwells us , having sanctified us by his spirit unto obedience .. and if we are sanctified unto obedience then we are able to walk in that obedience ,and at what time ,while engaged in obeying him ,are we led by him to go and commit a sin we know to be a sin .. ? never .

walk in the spirit and you 'will not ' fulfill the evil desires of the flesh .. note it does not say if you walk in the spirit you "might not ' but WILL not .

you won't have a will to sin .. but his will in us rules and thus we ,in him, have a will to do righteousness..he is ALWAYS willing us to pray and to do righteousness-thus if we abide in him and thereby DO HIS will we can only do righteousness ,, if we ignore him and do our own will ,we can sin.. but again- why would we do that which he set us free from doing ? why reject god and do sin ?

people seem to think they can sin accidently ,as if no thought nor will of their own is ever involved .. -that may have been the case before they were saved and set free . but it is NOT the case now .not if we have died and been set free ,being buried with him into his death and raised up again a new creature in christ .

 

[Lamb]

people seem to think they can sin accidently ,as if no thought nor will of their own is ever involved .. -that may have been the case before they were saved and set free . but it is NOT the case now .not if we have died and been set free ,being buried with him into his death and raised up again a new creature in christ .

I see that you are in denial about the full extent of what sin is and how limited you've made it out to be. No wonder you feel you're on the way to being something completely awesome? I'll keep trusting in Jesus and His covering me in perfect righteousness. You can keep on trusting in yourself.

 

[Josiah]

i have never ever said i dont ever sin.. i have said that those who are born of god dont continue to do so.. they cease from doing so..

So, you are not born of God?

You can't have it both ways: you constant, persistent, ever-present point about Christians who cease to sin (don't sin), Christians who are obedient (always do all God desires).... that Christians cease sin and disobedience, they never miss the mark ("sin") and always hit the mark ("obedience")..... now (after nearly a year of your points that Christians CEASE sin), you admit that you haven't ceased sin. So, either you are wrong about Christians being sinless OR you aren't a Christian. Which is it?

Are you right and there are all these sinless Christians, those "born of God" who cease to sin ("miss the mark") and now are perfect ("hit the mark") OR Scripture is right when it declares "No one is righteous, no, not even one" "if anyone claims to be without sin, he is a lair." Which is it?

Or (as I've always suspected) have you been SO completely confused by some teacher(s) who has twisted, entangled, confused, abused, diluted Law and Gospel that you have essentially (although I'm SURE unknowingly) abandoned the Christian view of soteriology and are instead promoting essentially the Bhakti Hindu view (which you most certainly have - albeit, again, I'm sure unknowingly)?


Several of us here at CH have put up threads on Law and Gospel..... I put up the thread about Muhammad Ali to show you your Hindu perspective... Lamm and Turtle and others have been so patient and loving in TRYING to show you clear Law and Gospel to try to untangle the MESS you may have been taught (and bring you back to classic Christianity).... We've TRIED so hard, so patiently, so lovingly, to show you how you've SO watered-down, diluted Law and Gospel, largely stripping them of any significance and the "trouble" this causes you, the destruction it does to Christianity, but in the past 11 months, we've not been successful - although I think you HAVE thought about why you can't name even one person who has ceased sin and is obedient and we've FINALLY got something where even YOU admit to sin and thus have to think about whether you are born of God.

yes i love the lord with all my heart

We get these constant Pharisee boasts that result from you SO watering down, diluting, stripping of the Law. You REALLY love the Lord with ALL (100%, not, not, not 99.99%) of your heart and mind and soul, 100% of the time? Really? Or do we here again - as you've expressed so often for some 11 months now - where the Law is nothing more than: "Kinda, sorta TRY to not display outward manifestations of sin - at least don't MEAN to." Your watering down the Law to next-to-nothing is what leads you to water down the Gospel to next -to-nothing. Lamm, Turtle, others have TRIED - over and over and over - to get you to recognize that.

But you not only dilute both to near meaninglessness, but you entangle them, mix them, confuse them, blend them. And end up outside Christianity and actually pretty solidly into Bhakti Hinduism on this point.

i encourage ALL everywhere to BELIEVE that they too can be freed from their sin

Still waiting for that list of just TEN living homo sapiens who ceased sin, who never miss the mark and always hit the mark, 24/7, perfectly. So far, in all these months, you've not been able to identify even one.... not even one.... Please identify these sinless perfect people? Or is it you realize, there aren't any..... not even you? The Law must do its work before you will embrace the Gospel. You are in denial, in the Pharisee mindset, stripping the Law of any power and thus seeing no need for a SAVIOR - just for help cleaning up your act (which is why you're actually promoting the soteriology of modern Judaism, Islam and especially Bhakti Hinduism).

walk in the spirit and you 'will not ' fulfill the evil desires of the flesh .. if you walk in the spirit you "might not ' but WILL not .

AMAZING how you confuse, entangle, mix Law and Gospel..... Yes, the LAW of that is true - but it doesn't displace the Gospel as if Christ was a meaningless joke. So many of us have TRIED, TRIED to lead you to see that, to no avail. If you could just supply the name of just TEN living folks who ceased to sin....

why would we do that which he set us free from doing ? why reject god and do sin ?

Yet.... after 11 months.... you've admitted that even YOU still DO. Hum.....

Supply us with that list of 10 people who don't sin BECAUSE they have been freed from it and don't have the will to do it and they can end sin. Supply us with 10 names of those who show your theology is correct and the Bible is wrong when it says, "if anyone claims to be without sin, he is a liar."





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