LAW and GOSPEL

[Lamb]

The Law speaks to self.

The Gospel speaks of the Savior. It speaks to us when it boasts of the Savior and GIVES salvation to us.

 

[Alithis]

The Law speaks to self.

The Gospel speaks of the Savior. It speaks to us when it boasts of the Savior and GIVES salvation to us.

why only to us ?

 

[Alithis]

It has nothing to do with being in control of our salvation but it has everything to do with the commandments of Christ, there are things that we have to do in order to call ourselves disciples of Christ. Evangelize for one, confess and believe for salvation. It has nothing to do with elevating oneself but everything to do with what the word tells us

yup.. because we have this hope ..not to"get" this hope .

we sanctify ourselves ..purify ourselves separate our selves..walk worth of our calling , repent of sin and dont continue in it .obey the shepherd..
in other words we STOP conforming to the word and conform to christ . we no longer walk as we once did ..past tense . were like sheep gone astray ..but NOW we have been redeemed , set free born again ( not al of us some of us have not yet .that's become plain ) all of these things are direct scripture .

getting back on the path is through Jeuss who has made the way back onto that path ,through himself,graciously available . that we who were (past tense) disobedient ,may NOW walk present tense ..in obedience. and we obey for the JOY set before us .. some people speak of obedience as if it is some horrid thing one must suffer haha .. they are SO SO wrong .. there is no greater JOY then in Obedience to God and a clear conscience before him

 

[Cassia]

yup.. because we have this hope ..not to"get" this hope .

we sanctify ourselves ..purify ourselves separate our selves..walk worth of our calling , repent of sin and dont continue in it .obey the shepherd..
in other words we STOP conforming to the word and conform to christ . we no longer walk as we once did ..past tense . were like sheep gone astray ..but NOW we have been redeemed , set free born again ( not al of us some of us have not yet .that's become plain ) all of these things are direct scripture .

getting back on the path is through Jeuss who has made the way back onto that path ,through himself,graciously available . that we who were (past tense) disobedient ,may NOW walk present tense ..in obedience. and we obey for the JOY set before us .. some people speak of obedience as if it is some horrid thing one must suffer haha .. they are SO SO wrong .. there is no greater JOY then in Obedience to God and a clear conscience before him

There is no conforming, it's transforming..

ETA cleansing of the conscience is KEY. Only accomplished at the throne of grace...

 

[Lamb]

yup.. because we have this hope ..not to"get" this hope .

we sanctify ourselves ..purify ourselves separate our selves..walk worth of our calling , repent of sin and dont continue in it .obey the shepherd..
in other words we STOP conforming to the word and conform to christ . we no longer walk as we once did ..past tense . were like sheep gone astray ..but NOW we have been redeemed , set free born again ( not al of us some of us have not yet .that's become plain ) all of these things are direct scripture .

getting back on the path is through Jeuss who has made the way back onto that path ,through himself,graciously available . that we who were (past tense) disobedient ,may NOW walk present tense ..in obedience. and we obey for the JOY set before us .. some people speak of obedience as if it is some horrid thing one must suffer haha .. they are SO SO wrong .. there is no greater JOY then in Obedience to God and a clear conscience before him

Care to count all those "we" words you've included in there and only a small shoutout to the one who actually saves you?

 

[Alithis]

Care to count all those "we" words you've included in there and only a small shoutout to the one who actually saves you?

all the "we" words " are references to the scriptures of things we are to do in obedience because he has saved us and put us back on the road to life . not to get saved .. but to remain saved to endure until the end so that we may receive the salvation of god to be revealed at his coming .

-Do your best to present yourself to God as one approved, a worker who has no need to be ashamed, rightly handling the word of truth.

-But God's firm foundation stands, bearing this seal: “The Lord knows those who are his,” and, “Let everyone who names the name of the Lord depart from iniquity.”

-Draw near to God, and he will draw near to you. Cleanse your hands, you sinners, and purify your hearts, you double-minded.

-I appeal to you therefore, brothers, by the mercies of God, to present your bodies as a living sacrifice, holy and acceptable to God, which is your spiritual worship.

-For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them.(not ignore them )

you see .. im only repeating that which is scripture ..i always agree with the scripture even when it is most uncomfortable to do so.. and i do not need to manipulate the scripture to fit what i share from it .

 

[Alithis]

There is no conforming, it's transforming..

ETA cleansing of the conscience is KEY. Only accomplished at the throne of grace...

quite right ..i used the incorrect wording

 

[TurtleHare]

Care to count all those "we" words you've included in there and only a small shoutout to the one who actually saves you?

LOVE IT! Who's running the verbs?? :smirk:

If it's gonna be you running the verbs then where's your Jesus? :big-eyes:

 

[Lamb]

all the "we" words " are references to the scriptures of things we are to do in obedience because he has saved us and put us back on the road to life . not to get saved .. but to remain saved to endure until the end so that we may receive the salvation of god to be revealed at his coming .

-Do your best to present yourself to God as one approved, a worker who has no need to be ashamed, rightly handling the word of truth.

-But God's firm foundation stands, bearing this seal: “The Lord knows those who are his,” and, “Let everyone who names the name of the Lord depart from iniquity.”

-Draw near to God, and he will draw near to you. Cleanse your hands, you sinners, and purify your hearts, you double-minded.

-I appeal to you therefore, brothers, by the mercies of God, to present your bodies as a living sacrifice, holy and acceptable to God, which is your spiritual worship.

-For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them.(not ignore them )

you see .. im only repeating that which is scripture ..i always agree with the scripture even when it is most uncomfortable to do so.. and i do not need to manipulate the scripture to fit what i share from it .

Why don't you ever post about what God does to save us?

 

[Alithis]

Why don't you ever post about what God does to save us?

i have ..it is called the gospel and what he has done is set us saved us from our sin and set us free from sin ..
my life is FILLED with the things GOD HAS DONE, but some here wish to degrade it , to demote us back to the level of "only sinners "

why dont you often agree with what he has done for us and walk in it instead of teaching as if he has accomplished nothing at all - if he has saved you from sin then why on earth would you return to keep doing it except you have not yet repented of doing so or dont want to . ?

God has redeemed you at great price .. Do you not know that your bodies are temples of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own; you were bought at a price. Therefore honor God with your bodies. why then do you imply we cannot do so and wil continue to willfully sin as if we have no choice ?

God has set you apart (made you holy) for a purpose , that purpose is to be holy and blameless - yes blameless .. -For He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world to be holy and blameless in His presence.Ephesians 1:4 -why then do you imply that we can't walk in what HE ,not me , has done ?but that we must all continue unrepentant of sin .. and keep doing it ?


God has sanctified us unto obedience-who have been chosen according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through the sanctifying work of the Spirit, to be obedient to Jesus Christ and sprinkled with his blood: 1 Peter 1:2 - why then do you speak as if we cant live in obedience ? to do an act we know to be sin is NOT obedience -it is pure rebellion .why imply we will continue tom rebel when he has sanctified us AND empowered us to Obedience ?

God has set us free -in christ .. free from the wage of sin , free from the power of sin free from the dominion of sin -

these are some things that GOD has done -
but so often you imply that he has not accomplished any of these things when you say every one keeps sinning .. and so i ask .. why? why does a person who claims to be set free -continue to serve the master they are supposedly set free from ?

some possibilities ...

a -they do not beleive they are free
b- they are not yet free
c- they love that master (their sin)
d - they Are free, but dont yet know it because they have been wrongly taught that they can't ever be truly free and so they languish in a horrid cycle of sin , guilt and pleading forgiveness ,sin ,guilt and pleading forgiveness .. an existence more secretly miserable then if they had never heard the gospel = all because some denomination has taught them they ...are "only a sinner ". AFTER they have been saved they are immediately religiously condemned to the existence of "ONLY a sinner " .. in stark contrast to what the word of God states we are now become IN christ .

-free
-redeemed
-saints
-bought out of the kingdom of darkness into the kingdom of his glorious son
-bought into union with chrsit
- made a co heir with him in all he has inherited
-blessed with EVERY spiritual blessing heavenly places
-made the sons of God
-made a new creation
- made more then conquerors
-made over comers even as he over came ..
made priests and KINGS
these are all the things GOD! ,not man, GOD! not me, GOD! not you .. but GOD! has done for us ..

so why oh why listen to some denominations lame tradition that he has not accomplished ANYTHING but leaves you as .. "Only a sinner ".

{ -in contrast -if that is the best your god can do then i dont want a god that says " I'v come to set you free from SIN which causes death .. but you won't actually be free you will have to remain its slave after i set you free ... not a very inviting offer ! }
the lord Jesus I beleive in DOES what he promises .His word is true and he is faithful to it .

its time to both beleive and live as if you actually beleive what the word of god says about those born again of the Spirit of God .. time to BELIEVE what the word of God states about the redeemed of the lord .there is nothing the devil wants more than people to beleive,, they are just a sinner adns can't ever stop being one.

if he's got you believing that .. then he's got you DISbelieving God's word .

time to change your mind
μετανοώ
metanoó - to think again.. change your mind .

 

[Lamb]

I do not promote us going out and continuing in sin. What I've said to you and please read this very clearly is that WE do still sin. Are you seeing it now?

 

[Alithis]

I do not promote us going out and continuing in sin. What I've said to you and please read this very clearly is that WE do still sin. Are you seeing it now?

I have not denied that ever- and what i have clearly asked you is .. WHY do you still sin if god has set you free ?

are you seeing that now ?

who is making you do so .. ? the devil? , he cant he has no power over you if you are set free

God ? he cant he does not tempt nor can he be tempted

that leaves one person .. self . if we still do a sin we know to be a sin ..it is us choosing to do so and if we continue to do so we have not repented .

See what great love the Father has lavished on us, that we should be called children of God! And that is what we are! The reason the world does not know us is that it did not know him. Dear friends, now we are children of God, and what we will be has not yet been made known. But we know that when Christ appears, we shall be like him, for we shall see him as he is. All who have this hope in him purify themselves, just as he is pure.

Everyone who sins breaks the law; in fact, sin is lawlessness. But you know that he appeared so that he might take away our sins. And in him is no sin. No one who lives in him keeps on sinning. No one who continues to sin has either seen him or known him.
Dear children, do not let anyone lead you astray. The one who does what is right is righteous, just as he is righteous. The one who does what is sinful is of the devil, because the devil has been sinning from the beginning. The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the devil’s work. No one who is born of God will continue to sin, because God’s seed remains in them; they cannot go on sinning, because they have been born of God. This is how we know who the children of God are and who the children of the devil are: Anyone who does not do what is right is not God’s child, nor is anyone who does not love their brother and sister.

 

[Alithis]

LOVE IT! Who's running the verbs?? :smirk:

If it's gonna be you running the verbs then where's your Jesus? :big-eyes:

if you love me ..you will do as i say (keep my words ) (obey my commands ) - JESUS .. <--- there he is

 

[Alithis]

AGAIN (repeat post)

speaking on what GOD has done ...

.it is called the gospel and what he has done is set us saved us from our sin and set us free from sin ..
my life is FILLED with the things GOD HAS DONE, but some here wish to degrade it , to demote us back to the level of "only sinners "

why dont you often agree with what he has done for us and walk in it instead of teaching as if he has accomplished nothing at all - if he has saved you from sin then why on earth would you return to keep doing it except you have not yet repented of doing so or dont want to . ?

God has redeemed you at great price .. Do you not know that your bodies are temples of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own; you were bought at a price. Therefore honor God with your bodies. why then do you imply we cannot do so and wil continue to willfully sin as if we have no choice ?

God has set you apart (made you holy) for a purpose , that purpose is to be holy and blameless - yes blameless .. -For He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world to be holy and blameless in His presence.Ephesians 1:4 -why then do you imply that we can't walk in what HE ,not me , has done ?but that we must all continue unrepentant of sin .. and keep doing it ?


God has sanctified us unto obedience-who have been chosen according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through the sanctifying work of the Spirit, to be obedient to Jesus Christ and sprinkled with his blood: 1 Peter 1:2 - why then do you speak as if we cant live in obedience ? to do an act we know to be sin is NOT obedience -it is pure rebellion .why imply we will continue tom rebel when he has sanctified us AND empowered us to Obedience ?

God has set us free -in christ .. free from the wage of sin , free from the power of sin free from the dominion of sin -

these are some things that GOD has done -
but so often you imply that he has not accomplished any of these things when you say every one keeps sinning .. and so i ask .. why? why does a person who claims to be set free -continue to serve the master they are supposedly set free from ?

some possibilities ...

a -they do not beleive they are free
b- they are not yet free
c- they love that master (their sin)
d - they Are free, but dont yet know it because they have been wrongly taught that they can't ever be truly free and so they languish in a horrid cycle of sin , guilt and pleading forgiveness ,sin ,guilt and pleading forgiveness .. an existence more secretly miserable then if they had never heard the gospel = all because some denomination has taught them they ...are "only a sinner ". AFTER they have been saved they are immediately religiously condemned to the existence of "ONLY a sinner " .. in stark contrast to what the word of God states we are now become IN christ .

-free
-redeemed
-saints
-bought out of the kingdom of darkness into the kingdom of his glorious son
-bought into union with chrsit
- made a co heir with him in all he has inherited
-blessed with EVERY spiritual blessing heavenly places
-made the sons of God
-made a new creation
- made more then conquerors
-made over comers even as he over came ..
made priests and KINGS
these are all the things GOD! ,not man, GOD! not me, GOD! not you .. but GOD! has done for us ..

so why oh why listen to some denominations lame tradition that he has not accomplished ANYTHING but leaves you as .. "Only a sinner ".

{ -in contrast -if that is the best your god can do then i dont want a god that says " I'v come to set you free from SIN which causes death .. but you won't actually be free you will have to remain its slave after i set you free ... not a very inviting offer ! }
the lord Jesus I beleive in DOES what he promises .His word is true and he is faithful to it .

its time to both beleive and live as if you actually beleive what the word of god says about those born again of the Spirit of God .. time to BELIEVE what the word of God states about the redeemed of the lord .there is nothing the devil wants more than people to beleive,, they are only a sinner and can't ever stop being one.

if he's got you believing that .. then he's got you DISbelieving God's word .

time to change your mind
μετανοώ
metanoó - to think again.. change your mind .

 

[Josiah]

Altithis -

Please supply us with the names of 10 living persons who have ceased to sin and who obey God.

 

[Lamb]

Altithis -

Please supply us with the names of 10 living persons who have ceased to sin and who obey God.

Alithis doesn't even fall under that category so he has none to provide you, Josiah. God has given commands and Alithis misses the mark. It's evident here on the site.

 

[Josiah]

God does not save the disobedient


.

That's been your point since you came to this website..... How God only saves those who cease sin, who obey Him. And you keep talking about the "WE" who have ceased sin (never missing the mark) and who obey (always hitting the mark) but you won't tell us who the "we" are and you won't give the name of even one living person on the Planet Earth who has ceased sin and is obeying. You implied YOU were the one you are speaking about until I suggested you ask your wife to post here that you indeed don't sin and you do obey - never missing the mark ("sin") always obeying God. But..... if you so requested that, she evidently didn't consent (and you stopped implying it for you..... although you keep using the "WE").


Yet AGAIN: The obedient don't need saving, those who don't sin don't need forgiveness...... And of course, the Apostle and Saint John writing to Christians says that ANYONE (pretty inclusive, huh) who claims (present tense) to be (present tense) without sin (ceased to sin, obedient) he LIES and deceives only himself. Apostle and Saint Paul writes to Christians and refers to himself (in the present tense) as the "CHIEF of sinners." So, by your theology, no one is saved - certainly not the Saints and Apostles John and Paul.


We're still waiting for that list of just ten people who don't sin and thus don't need the Gospel, the Christ, the Savior, God, mercy, forgiveness.... these "obedient" and "ceased to sin" folks you keep taking about that prove the Gospel wrong, prove Christ is a meaningless and unnecesary joke, these 10 obedient, sinless, perfect people that God "saves" (although you have persistently refused to say from what). Why can't you name just ten out of 7.3 BILLION living persons? Even just 10 obedient, perfect, sinless people? Is it because no one is saved, no one is a Christian, no one is heaven-bound? Or because you are wrong and Scripture/Christianity is right?


Ah.... you keep proving the opening post..... how if we entangle, confuse, dilute Law and Gospel - we destroy the very foundation and core of Christianity and wreck the faith. You keep proving that to be true. http://www.christianityhaven.com/showthread.php?2020-Muhammad-Ali-(Yes-this-is-a-Theology-thread)





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[Cassia]

We have the new creations ability to not sin, from glory to glory but not the practice because it's a daily exercise of following Him.That's why we have a mediator for when any sin occurs, when every thought needs to be brought captive to Christ.
I was trying to find an old study about the poisonous effects of satan (searching for whom he can devour) and the abilities of the new creation. I couldn't find it but remember much of the content. In the Hebrew OT the effects were deadly (likened to the old man) but the new creation could be attacked/bitten/whatever but the effects were not deadly at all according to the Greek but he was still able to attack (sure wish I could remember the keyword to find that search)
Anyway those who are of the seed incorruptable have a special protection against satan, but as shown below even Jesus had to remain under the umbrella of protection provided by the scriptures... it is written... that's the extent of protection against sin.

Matthew 4:11
Then the devil leaveth him, and, behold, angels came and ministered unto him.

A commentary from Adam Clark...http://www.godvine.com/bible/hebrews/4-15 or http://www.sacred-texts.com/bib/cmt/clarke/heb004.htm

Hebrews 4:14-15
Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our profession.
For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.

There's a two-fold temptation to sin, inward and outward; inwardly Christ wasn't tempted to sin, outwardly He was.
We have the added temptation to sin coming from the flesh.
Adam (male and female) were tempted only outwardly just as Jesus was.

His mind, or human soul, being free from all sin, being every way perfect, could feel no irregular temper, nothing that was inconsistent with infinite purity.
In all these respects he was different from us; and cannot, as man, sympathize with us in any feelings of this kind:
but, as God, He has provided support for the body under all its trials and infirmities, and for the soul He has provided an atonement and purifying sacrifice; so that He cleanses the heart from all unrighteousness, and fills the soul with His Holy Spirit, and makes it His own temple and continual habitation.

He took our flesh and blood, a human body and a human soul, and lived a human life.
Here's the likeness of sinful flesh,

Romans 8:5
For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.

and by Him assuming human nature, He was completely qualified to make an atonement for the sins of the world.By always resisting He always overcame thereby leaving us with the example.

Hebrews 5:16
Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.

His abiding gives us the mind of Christ. Going to the throne of grace in prayer gives us mercy first, then grace.

Romans 12
1 beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.
2And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God. 3For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith.

 

[Alithis]

Alithis doesn't even fall under that category so he has none to provide you, Josiah. God has given commands and Alithis misses the mark. It's evident here on the site.

ailthis this alithis that ..lol .. .. address the posts and quite the personal attacks . ypou asked why i dont speak of what God has done .. i DO and i rejoice in what he has done .

what i said is .


speaking on what GOD has done ...

.it is called the gospel and what he has done is set us saved us from our sin and set us free from sin ..
my life is FILLED with the things GOD HAS DONE, but some here wish to degrade it , to demote us back to the level of "only sinners "

why dont you often agree with what he has done for us and walk in it instead of teaching as if he has accomplished nothing at all - if he has saved you from sin then why on earth would you return to keep doing it except you have not yet repented of doing so or dont want to . ?

God has redeemed you at great price .. Do you not know that your bodies are temples of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own; you were bought at a price. Therefore honor God with your bodies. why then do you imply we cannot do so and wil continue to willfully sin as if we have no choice ?

God has set you apart (made you holy) for a purpose , that purpose is to be holy and blameless - yes blameless .. -For He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world to be holy and blameless in His presence.Ephesians 1:4 -why then do you imply that we can't walk in what HE ,not me , has done ?but that we must all continue unrepentant of sin .. and keep doing it ?


God has sanctified us unto obedience-who have been chosen according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through the sanctifying work of the Spirit, to be obedient to Jesus Christ and sprinkled with his blood: 1 Peter 1:2 - why then do you speak as if we cant live in obedience ? to do an act we know to be sin is NOT obedience -it is pure rebellion .why imply we will continue tom rebel when he has sanctified us AND empowered us to Obedience ?

God has set us free -in christ .. free from the wage of sin , free from the power of sin free from the dominion of sin -

these are some things that GOD has done -
but so often you imply that he has not accomplished any of these things when you say every one keeps sinning .. and so i ask .. why? why does a person who claims to be set free -continue to serve the master they are supposedly set free from ?

some possibilities ...

a -they do not beleive they are free
b- they are not yet free
c- they love that master (their sin)
d - they Are free, but dont yet know it because they have been wrongly taught that they can't ever be truly free and so they languish in a horrid cycle of sin , guilt and pleading forgiveness ,sin ,guilt and pleading forgiveness .. an existence more secretly miserable then if they had never heard the gospel = all because some denomination has taught them they ...are "only a sinner ". AFTER they have been saved they are immediately religiously condemned to the existence of "ONLY a sinner " .. in stark contrast to what the word of God states we are now become IN christ .

-free
-redeemed
-saints
-bought out of the kingdom of darkness into the kingdom of his glorious son
-bought into union with chrsit
- made a co heir with him in all he has inherited
-blessed with EVERY spiritual blessing heavenly places
-made the sons of God
-made a new creation
- made more then conquerors
-made over comers even as he over came ..
made priests and KINGS
these are all the things GOD! ,not man, GOD! not me, GOD! not you .. but GOD! has done for us ..

so why oh why listen to some denominations lame tradition that he has not accomplished ANYTHING but leaves you as .. "Only a sinner ".

{ -in contrast -if that is the best your god can do then i dont want a god that says " I'v come to set you free from SIN which causes death .. but you won't actually be free you will have to remain its slave after i set you free ... not a very inviting offer ! }
the lord Jesus I beleive in DOES what he promises .His word is true and he is faithful to it .

its time to both beleive and live as if you actually beleive what the word of god says about those born again of the Spirit of God .. time to BELIEVE what the word of God states about the redeemed of the lord .there is nothing the devil wants more than people to beleive,, they are only a sinner and can't ever stop being one.

if he's got you believing that .. then he's got you DISbelieving God's word .

time to change your mind
μετανοώ
metanoó - to think again.. change your mind .

 

[Cassia]

ailthis this alithis that ..lol .. .. address the posts and quite the personal attacks . ypou asked why i dont speak of what God has done .. i DO and i rejoice in what he has done .

what i said is .


speaking on what GOD has done ...

.it is called the gospel and what he has done is set us saved us from our sin and set us free from sin ..
my life is FILLED with the things GOD HAS DONE, but some here wish to degrade it , to demote us back to the level of "only sinners "

why dont you often agree with what he has done for us and walk in it instead of teaching as if he has accomplished nothing at all - if he has saved you from sin then why on earth would you return to keep doing it except you have not yet repented of doing so or dont want to . ?

God has redeemed you at great price .. Do you not know that your bodies are temples of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own; you were bought at a price. Therefore honor God with your bodies. why then do you imply we cannot do so and wil continue to willfully sin as if we have no choice ?

God has set you apart (made you holy) for a purpose , that purpose is to be holy and blameless - yes blameless .. -For He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world to be holy and blameless in His presence.Ephesians 1:4 -why then do you imply that we can't walk in what HE ,not me , has done ?but that we must all continue unrepentant of sin .. and keep doing it ?


God has sanctified us unto obedience-who have been chosen according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through the sanctifying work of the Spirit, to be obedient to Jesus Christ and sprinkled with his blood: 1 Peter 1:2 - why then do you speak as if we cant live in obedience ? to do an act we know to be sin is NOT obedience -it is pure rebellion .why imply we will continue tom rebel when he has sanctified us AND empowered us to Obedience ?

God has set us free -in christ .. free from the wage of sin , free from the power of sin free from the dominion of sin -

these are some things that GOD has done -
but so often you imply that he has not accomplished any of these things when you say every one keeps sinning .. and so i ask .. why? why does a person who claims to be set free -continue to serve the master they are supposedly set free from ?

some possibilities ...

a -they do not beleive they are free
b- they are not yet free
c- they love that master (their sin)
d - they Are free, but dont yet know it because they have been wrongly taught that they can't ever be truly free and so they languish in a horrid cycle of sin , guilt and pleading forgiveness ,sin ,guilt and pleading forgiveness .. an existence more secretly miserable then if they had never heard the gospel = all because some denomination has taught them they ...are "only a sinner ". AFTER they have been saved they are immediately religiously condemned to the existence of "ONLY a sinner " .. in stark contrast to what the word of God states we are now become IN christ .

-free
-redeemed
-saints
-bought out of the kingdom of darkness into the kingdom of his glorious son
-bought into union with chrsit
- made a co heir with him in all he has inherited
-blessed with EVERY spiritual blessing heavenly places
-made the sons of God
-made a new creation
- made more then conquerors
-made over comers even as he over came ..
made priests and KINGS
these are all the things GOD! ,not man, GOD! not me, GOD! not you .. but GOD! has done for us ..

so why oh why listen to some denominations lame tradition that he has not accomplished ANYTHING but leaves you as .. "Only a sinner ".

{ -in contrast -if that is the best your god can do then i dont want a god that says " I'v come to set you free from SIN which causes death .. but you won't actually be free you will have to remain its slave after i set you free ... not a very inviting offer ! }
the lord Jesus I beleive in DOES what he promises .His word is true and he is faithful to it .

its time to both beleive and live as if you actually beleive what the word of god says about those born again of the Spirit of God .. time to BELIEVE what the word of God states about the redeemed of the lord .there is nothing the devil wants more than people to beleive,, they are only a sinner and can't ever stop being one.

if he's got you believing that .. then he's got you DISbelieving God's word .

time to change your mind
μετανοώ
metanoó - to think again.. change your mind .

Ok we got it ... your calling people to repent ... now let's have some gospel preachimg