What do you think of the apostles' creed?

[MoreCoffee]

This is the apostles' creed:

• I believe in God, the Father Almighty, Creator of heaven and earth;
• and in Jesus Christ, His only Son, our Lord:
• Who was conceived by the Holy Spirit, born of the Virgin Mary;
• suffered under Pontius Pilate, was crucified, died and was buried.
• He descended into hell;
• the third day He rose again from the dead;
• He ascended into heaven, is seated at the right hand of God the Father Almighty;
• from thence He shall come to judge the living and the dead.
• I believe in the Holy Spirit, the Holy Catholic Church, the communion of Saints, the forgiveness of sins, the resurrection of the body, and life everlasting. Amen.

What do you think of it?

 

[Lamb]

I believe in the creed. We recite it on Sundays when we don't have communion. I see no errors in what is written.

 

[psalms 91]

I agree with it as long as we are using the all inclusive catholic and not the denomination catholic

 

[Cassia]

I believe creeds to be unnecessary because denominations place upon them their own definition and by pledging allegiance to them instead of God's Word one places themselves under a creed instead of the Holy Spirit

 

[Josiah]

This is the apostles' creed:

• I believe in God, the Father Almighty, Creator of heaven and earth;
• and in Jesus Christ, His only Son, our Lord:
• Who was conceived by the Holy Spirit, born of the Virgin Mary;
• suffered under Pontius Pilate, was crucified, died and was buried.
• He descended into hell;
• the third day He rose again from the dead;
• He ascended into heaven, is seated at the right hand of God the Father Almighty;
• from thence He shall come to judge the living and the dead.
• I believe in the Holy Spirit, the holy catholic church, the communion of Saints, the forgiveness of sins, the resurrection of the body, and life everlasting. Amen.

I agree with the Creed (but not with how More Coffee changed it).


Lutherans use the Nicene for our Sunday services (at least if Communion is included.... which in parish, it is in every Sunday service, every Sunday) and the Apostles otherwise and with Baptisms. But we accept "catholic" here as the adjective it is (defined as "the communion of saints"), we don't delete the adjective and replace it with part of the legal moniker, a proper noun, of a specific, singular denomination: this creed says NOTHING about the individual, singular, unique, legal/geopolitical, institution of The Catholic Church.




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[Cassia]

The reason I came to this forum is the lack of postulating to man-made allegiances. And will feel justified in leaving if that changes.

 

[psalms 91]

tick around you will find many of us that are that way

 

[Cassia]

The apostle did not say, "I know what I have believed," but "I know whom I have believed"
2 Timothy 1:12
That is why I am suffering as I am. Yet this is no cause for shame, because I know whom I have believed, and am convinced that he is able to guard what I have entrusted to him until that day.

 

[Lamb]

This is the apostles' creed:

• I believe in God, the Father Almighty, Creator of heaven and earth;
• and in Jesus Christ, His only Son, our Lord:
• Who was conceived by the Holy Spirit, born of the Virgin Mary;
• suffered under Pontius Pilate, was crucified, died and was buried.
• He descended into hell;
• the third day He rose again from the dead;
• He ascended into heaven, is seated at the right hand of God the Father Almighty;
• from thence He shall come to judge the living and the dead.
• I believe in the Holy Spirit, the holy catholic church, the communion of Saints, the forgiveness of sins, the resurrection of the body, and life everlasting. Amen.

I agree with the Creed (but not with how More Coffee changed it).


Lutherans use the Nicene for our Sunday services (at least if Communion is included.... which in parish, it is in every Sunday service, every Sunday) and the Apostles otherwise and with Baptisms. But we accept "catholic" here as the adjective it is (defined as "the communion of saints"), we don't delete the adjective and replace it with part of the legal moniker, a proper noun, of a specific, singular denomination: this creed says NOTHING about the individual, singular, unique, legal/geopolitical, institution of The Catholic Church.




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Ah, good catch, Josiah. I did not notice that he replace "catholic" with "Catholic" which makes a world of difference. So, no, I do not agree with MoreCoffee's creed since the capitalization changes what was meant by the early church fathers.

 

[psalms 91]

Yeah, a very good catch, it is now obvious what is going on

 

[Cassia]

This is actually the biblical apostolic testimony

1 John 5

13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.

14 And this is the confidence that we have in him, that, if we ask any thing according to his will, he heareth us:

15 And if we know that he hear us, whatsoever we ask, we know that we have the petitions that we desired of him.

16 If any man see his brother sin a sin which is not unto death, he shall ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it.

17 All unrighteousness is sin: and there is a sin not unto death.

18 We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.

19 And we know that we are of God, and the whole world lieth in wickedness.

20 And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.

21 Little children, keep yourselves from idols. Amen.

 

[Pedrito]

”He descended into hell.”

Hmmm.

I thought Jesus was supposed to have said, from the cross, to the thief on the other cross:

To day shalt thou be with me in paradise.

That was from Luke 32:43.

Now if Jesus was truly 100%God (as well as 100% man) and the God part of Him did not die, then perhaps He could have been in two places at once.

But hell?

Besides:

Only God could be perfect enough for the sacrifice to be accepted. ONLY GOD

Lämmchen said that in Post #39 on Page 4 of Jesus is 100% God and 100% man at the same time.

So did the God part of Jesus die or not?

And where did He go?

 

[psalms 91]

paradise was located in the righteous side of hell and is where He preached for three days and ledd the captives out as they accepted Him. Paradise is now in heaven but was originally in the righteous side of hell

 

[Josiah]

I think the issue of "preached to the souls in hell" and "today you will be with me in paradise" is probably not completely resolvable. There are LOTS of "spins" (and all can just google the issue and read them all) but in MY opinion, none of them quite "answer" it. It's just one of the biblical things not completely unresolvable. SOME basically do a "spin" on the preaching in hell point, SOME do a "spin" on the TODAY part, but it seems all the theories do some kind of "spin."

In MY opinion, we simply have a question mark here. Scripture cannot lie but on the other hand, Scripture doesn't tell us everything.... there may well be a piece of this puzzle we simply do not know.... or perhaps our own limited understandings mean this is not understandable.

We are called to be stewards of the mysteries of God.




- Josiah

 

[MoreCoffee]

The is the Apostle's Creed in Latin

• Credo in Deum Patrem omnipotentem, Creatorem caeli et terrae,
• et in Iesum Christum, Filium Eius unicum, Dominum nostrum,
• qui conceptus est de Spiritu Sancto, natus ex Maria Virgine,
• passus sub Pontio Pilato, crucifixus, mortuus, et sepultus,
• descendit ad inferos, tertia die resurrexit a mortuis,
• ascendit ad caelos, sedet ad dexteram Dei Patris omnipotentis,
• inde venturus est iudicare vivos et mortuos.
• Credo in Spiritum Sanctum,
• sanctam Ecclesiam catholicam, sanctorum communionem,
• remissionem peccatorum,
• carnis resurrectionem,
• vitam aeternam.
• Amen.

In English translation.

• I believe in God the Father almighty, creator of heaven and earth.
• I believe in Jesus Christ, his only Son, our Lord.
• He was conceived by the power of the Holy Spirit and born of the Virgin Mary.
• Under Pontius Pilate, He was crucified, died, and was buried.
• He descended to the dead. On the third day he rose again.
• He ascended into heaven and is seated at the right hand of the Father.
• He will come again to judge the living and the dead.
• I believe in the Holy Spirit,
• the holy catholic Church, the communion of saints,
• the forgiveness of sins,
• the resurrection of the body,
• and the life everlasting.
• Amen.

As used in the Anglican communion

• I believe in God, the Father almighty,
• creator of heaven and earth.
• I believe in Jesus Christ, his only Son, our Lord,
• who was conceived by the Holy Spirit,
• born of the Virgin Mary,
• suffered under Pontius Pilate,
• was crucified, died, and was buried;
• he descended to the dead.
• On the third day he rose again;
• he ascended into heaven,
• he is seated at the right hand of the Father,
• and he will come to judge the living and the dead.
• I believe in the Holy Spirit,
• the holy catholic Church,
• the communion of saints,
• the forgiveness of sins,
• the resurrection of the body,
• and the life everlasting.
• Amen.

As used among some Lutherans

• I believe in God, the Father Almighty,
• Maker of heaven and earth.
• And in Jesus Christ, His only Son, our Lord,
• who was conceived by the Holy Spirit,
• born of the virgin Mary,
• suffered under Pontius Pilate,
• was crucified, died and was buried.
• He descended into hell.
• On the third day He rose again from the dead.
• He ascended into heaven
• and sits at the right hand of God the Father Almighty.
• From thence He will come to judge the living and the dead.
• I believe in the Holy Spirit,
• the holy Christian Church,
• the communion of saints,
• the forgiveness of sins,
• the resurrection of the body,
• and the life everlasting. Amen.

(source)

 

[Josiah]

The is the Apostle's Creed in Latin

• Credo in Deum Patrem omnipotentem, Creatorem caeli et terrae,
• et in Iesum Christum, Filium Eius unicum, Dominum nostrum,
• qui conceptus est de Spiritu Sancto, natus ex Maria Virgine,
• passus sub Pontio Pilato, crucifixus, mortuus, et sepultus,
• descendit ad inferos, tertia die resurrexit a mortuis,
• ascendit ad caelos, sedet ad dexteram Dei Patris omnipotentis,
• inde venturus est iudicare vivos et mortuos.
• Credo in Spiritum Sanctum,
• sanctam Ecclesiam catholicam, sanctorum communionem,
• remissionem peccatorum,
• carnis resurrectionem,
• vitam aeternam.
• Amen.

In English translation.

• I believe in God the Father almighty, creator of heaven and earth.
• I believe in Jesus Christ, his only Son, our Lord.
• He was conceived by the power of the Holy Spirit and born of the Virgin Mary.
• Under Pontius Pilate, He was crucified, died, and was buried.
• He descended to the dead. On the third day he rose again.
• He ascended into heaven and is seated at the right hand of the Father.
• He will come again to judge the living and the dead.
• I believe in the Holy Spirit,
• the holy catholic Church, the communion of saints,
• the forgiveness of sins,
• the resurrection of the body,
• and the life everlasting.
• Amen.

As used in the Anglican communion

• I believe in God, the Father almighty,
• creator of heaven and earth.
• I believe in Jesus Christ, his only Son, our Lord,
• who was conceived by the Holy Spirit,
• born of the Virgin Mary,
• suffered under Pontius Pilate,
• was crucified, died, and was buried;
• he descended to the dead.
• On the third day he rose again;
• he ascended into heaven,
• he is seated at the right hand of the Father,
• and he will come to judge the living and the dead.
• I believe in the Holy Spirit,
• the holy catholic Church,
• the communion of saints,
• the forgiveness of sins,
• the resurrection of the body,
• and the life everlasting.
• Amen.

As used among some Lutherans

• I believe in God, the Father Almighty,
• Maker of heaven and earth.
• And in Jesus Christ, His only Son, our Lord,
• who was conceived by the Holy Spirit,
• born of the virgin Mary,
• suffered under Pontius Pilate,
• was crucified, died and was buried.
• He descended into hell.
• On the third day He rose again from the dead.
• He ascended into heaven
• and sits at the right hand of God the Father Almighty.
• From thence He will come to judge the living and the dead.
• I believe in the Holy Spirit,
• the holy Christian Church,
• the communion of saints,
• the forgiveness of sins,
• the resurrection of the body,
• and the life everlasting. Amen.

(source)

None of the above being the incorrect teaching you gave in the OP.

 

[Tigger]

This is the apostles' creed:

• I believe in God, the Father Almighty, Creator of heaven and earth;
• and in Jesus Christ, His only Son, our Lord:
• Who was conceived by the Holy Spirit, born of the Virgin Mary;
• suffered under Pontius Pilate, was crucified, died and was buried.
• He descended into hell;
• the third day He rose again from the dead;
• He ascended into heaven, is seated at the right hand of God the Father Almighty;
• from thence He shall come to judge the living and the dead.
• I believe in the Holy Spirit, the holy catholic church, the communion of Saints, the forgiveness of sins, the resurrection of the body, and life everlasting. Amen.

I agree with the Creed (but not with how More Coffee changed it).


Lutherans use the Nicene for our Sunday services (at least if Communion is included.... which in parish, it is in every Sunday service, every Sunday) and the Apostles otherwise and with Baptisms. But we accept "catholic" here as the adjective it is (defined as "the communion of saints"), we don't delete the adjective and replace it with part of the legal moniker, a proper noun, of a specific, singular denomination: this creed says NOTHING about the individual, singular, unique, legal/geopolitical, institution of The Catholic Church.




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That waskley wabbit! *looks for shotgun*

 

[Pedrito]

Latin:

descendit ad inferos

MoreCoffee in Post # 1 on Page 1:

He descended into hell

After my questions in Post #12 on Page 2:

He descended to the dead

From http://en.allexperts.com/q/Latin-2145/2011/12/ad-inferos-apostles-creed.htm:

… Would you please explain "ad inferos" in the same [[Apostles]] creed.
…
In the 1973 edition of the Roman Catholic English mass, "ad inferos" is translated as "to the dead" but in the 2010 revision it is give as "to hell," in line with earlier translation of the Apostles Creed into English by various churches. …
…
Answer
The plural of "inferus" is used in the masculine to refer to the place of the dead (literally, "the lower places"). This is the place that the ancients called Hades. In ecclesiastical usage, the word early came to mean the Christian Hell. That is how it is used in the Apostles Creed.

It would seem that “to the dead” represents one of those places where traditional teaching has been watered down in recent times. The use of the term “separation from God” to describe the never ending screaming tortures of Hell is another; hell-fire doesn't scare people any more, in fact it turns people off, so it became necessary to hide the “truth” by using more “acceptable” language.

bill1231 in Post #13 on Page 2 offered:

paradise was located in the righteous side of hell and is where He preached for three days and ledd the captives out as they accepted Him. Paradise is now in heaven but was originally in the righteous side of hell

I request specific scripture references to support each of:
1. Paradise was located in the righteous side of hell;
2. That He preached in paradise for three days;
3. That He led the captives out as they accepted Him;
4. Paradise was transferred from being in the righteous side of hell to now being in heaven;
5. If He preached in Paradise for three days, when did He preach to the imprisoned spirits in 1 Peter 3:18-20?

I am still awaiting clarification regarding the following:

Only God could be perfect enough for the sacrifice to be accepted. ONLY GOD

Lämmchen said that in Post #39 on Page 4 of Jesus is 100% God and 100% man at the same time.

So did the God part of Jesus die or not?