Can you be sinless for even one second?

[Alithis]

We can be void of any ACTS of sin for a time.... but that doesn't mean we've ceased to be sinful.

I very rarely get colds (can't remember the last one) but lets say I have one. Now, perhaps I take a handful of powerful pills - and thus I'm not (AT THIS SECOND) coughing or sneezing, and I don't have a runny nose or sore throat. Do I have a cold? Yup. Just no symptoms at this moment.

sounds absolutely faithless . what your saying is you sin becaseu your a sinner so becaseu you are a sinner you serve sin...
do you not actually beleive that jesus has set you free from being a slave to sin .

a slave is not son and a son is not a slave .. you keep doing that sin your won't name because you love it and you dont want to stop doing ti . you love it more than you love the lord jesus ,so you keep doing it you keep serving that sin and are come under bondage to it by your own doing .. you must repent .

we dont have to be void of Acts of sin and then start doing them again.. why should you ? why would you want to do that which brings death? why would you want to be entangled again ,why would you want to come under bondage again by serving that old master .. why would you want to live according to the old nature when the lord jesus has set you free from that master that we might now serve god in righteousness ?

and nothing can compel us beyond our own will and force us to sin .. for there is no temptation that is not common to man and god does not allow you to be tempted above your ability to resist ... not EVER .. so since at every time according to the word of god (not me ) why do you insist that you can't resist doing that act .. when God has stated that he does not allow you to be tempted beyond your ability to resist ...

you have got to start believing the scripture . and stop making excuses to carry on sinning .

 

[Josiah]

sounds absolutely faithless . what your saying is you sin becaseu your a sinner so becaseu you are a sinner you serve sin...
do you not actually beleive that jesus has set you free from being a slave to sin .

I've never remotely ever said any of that.

he does not save the disobedient

So, who are these obedient, sinless people you constantly post about? These folks who need no Gospel, no Savior, no mercy, no forgiveness.... these folks who God saves (but you persistently REFUSE to say from what)? We're still waiting for just ten (only 10) out of the 7.3 BILLION living persons on the Planet Earth who have ceased to sin, who are obedient, who never miss the mark ("sin") and always hit the mark (obedient), who have no sins to forgive and thus God forgives them? Who are these folks who have ceased to sin, who are obedient and thus are then, therefore, saved? Can you identify just ten such living folks by name?

For awhile, you seemed to imply there was just one (out of 7.3 billion).... YOU.... but you stopped that when I suggested perhaps your wife would come onto our site and confirm that you are sinless, you never miss the mark, you have CEASED to miss the mark and so now always hit the mark. But that never happened... you just stopped implying there is even ONE such person who is saved, whom God saves.

Who are these people that prove Scripture is wrong when it says, "NO ONE is righteous, no, not even one?" When it proclaims, "If ANYONE claims to be without sin, he is a liar?" Where are the Scriptures that state that God only forgives those who have nothing to forgive, only saves those who have nothing to be saved from?

you have got to start believing the scripture .

I do. You don't have any Scriptures that say that ANYONE ceases to sin. Scripture says that NO ONE is righteous, no, not even one (all in PRESENT TENSE, written to CHRISTIANS)..... if ANYONE claims to be sinless he is a liar (all in present tense, written to Christians). St. Paul refers to himself in the present tense as the CHIEF of sinners. Why do you think he lied? Or do you thing he thus was not a Christian and not saved, that he LOVED to sin and thus wasn't saved?






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[Alithis]

I've never remotely ever said any of that.





So, who are these obedient, sinless people you constantly post about? These folks who need no Gospel, no Savior, no mercy, no forgiveness.... these folks who God saves (but you persistently REFUSE to say from what)? We're still waiting for just ten (only 10) out of the 7.3 BILLION living persons on the Planet Earth who have ceased to sin, who are obedient, who never miss the mark ("sin") and always hit the mark (obedient), who have no sins to forgive and thus God forgives them? Who are these folks who have ceased to sin, who are obedient and thus are then, therefore, saved? Can you identify just ten such living folks by name?

For awhile, you seemed to imply there was just one (out of 7.3 billion).... YOU.... but you stopped that when I suggested perhaps your wife would come onto our site and confirm that you are sinless, you never miss the mark, you have CEASED to miss the mark and so now always hit the mark. But that never happened... you just stopped implying there is even ONE such person who is saved, whom God saves.

Who are these people that prove Scripture is wrong when it says, "NO ONE is righteous, no, not even one?" When it proclaims, "If ANYONE claims to be without sin, he is a liar?" Where are the Scriptures that state that God only forgives those who have nothing to forgive, only saves those who have nothing to be saved from?





I do. You don't have any Scriptures that say that ANYONE ceases to sin. Scripture says that NO ONE is righteous, no, not even one (all in PRESENT TENSE, written to CHRISTIANS)..... if ANYONE claims to be sinless he is a liar (all in present tense, written to Christians). St. Paul refers to himself in the present tense as the CHIEF of sinners. Why do you think he lied? Or do you thing he thus was not a Christian and not saved, that he LOVED to sin and thus wasn't saved?






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1 john chapter 3 says it josiah .. it says it very precisely

and i have quoted it .. and you know i have and any one can see it . go and read 1 john chapter 3 . and stop speaking the opposite to the scriptures .

 

[Alithis]

1 john chapter 3 says it josiah .. it says it very precisely

and i have quoted it .. and you know i have and any one can see it . go and read 1 john chapter 3 . and stop speaking the opposite to the scriptures .

-and now i take my leave for a while-

 

[Josiah]

While you are away, work on that list of just TEN living persons who have ceased to sin. Your whole theology you have been persistently pushing since you came here hinges on people who have ceased to sin, but to date, you keep ignoring the call for you to identify these folks, these people who have ceased to sin. I want to make it EXTREMELY easy for you, so I've only asked for the names of just ten, only 10 names of living persons. There are about 7.3 BILLION people currently living on the Planet Earth so I'm asking for a tiny, tiny, microscopic percentage..... SURELY, OBVIOIUSLY, UNDENIABLY... if these people you constantly post about actually exist, you know off the top of your head many times the number I'm asking for, so this is very easy. Just list the names. Just 10. Just ten who have ceased to sin, who never miss the mark ("sin") and always hit the mark (perfectly, 24/7). Just ten who are perfect just as God is.... holy just as God is.... loving just as Christ is.... these "OBEDIENT" people who always do everything God calls us to do. Ten who prove Scripture wrong when it says, "If ANYONE claims to be without sin, he is a liar" "NO ONE is righteous, no, not even one."


We'll continue to wait.



Blessings on your sabbatical.



- Josiah

 

[TurtleHare]

god does not allow you to be tempted above your ability to resist ... not EVER .. so since at every time according to the word of god (not me ) why do you insist that you can't resist doing that act .. when God has stated that he does not allow you to be tempted beyond your ability to resist ...

Adam & Eve (cough)

 

[psalms 91]

What about them? They also had a choice did they not?

 

[Lamb]

God made a choice to save Adam & Eve. They received His choice by grace through faith and trusted him. Is that a choice? Or a realization of something God already stated?

 

[psalms 91]

We wioll all just sing kumbi ah and wait since everyone is saved if they have no cjhoice or dont have to do anything once saved, we are free to do as we wish since we are all saved

 

[Lamb]

We wioll all just sing kumbi ah and wait since everyone is saved if they have no cjhoice or dont have to do anything once saved, we are free to do as we wish since we are all saved

You really want to work hard for something God does, don't you? I know that comes across somewhat harsh and I apologize. But it's true that God does the saving.

Who said we're free to do what we want? If we turn away from God, then we damn ourselves.

 

[Alithis]

You really want to work hard for something God does, don't you? I know that comes across somewhat harsh and I apologize. But it's true that God does the saving.

Who said we're free to do what we want? If we turn away from God, then we damn ourselves.

Forasmuch then as Christ hath suffered for us in the flesh, arm yourselves likewise with the same mind: for he that hath suffered in the flesh hath ceased from sin;
That he no longer should live the rest of his time in the flesh to the lusts of men, but to the will of God.
For the time past of our life may suffice us to have wrought the will of the Gentiles, when we walked in lasciviousness, lusts, excess of wine, revellings, banquetings, and abominable idolatries:
Wherein they think it strange that ye run not with them to the same excess of riot, speaking evil of you:
Who shall give account to him that is ready to judge the quick and the dead.
For for this cause was the gospel preached also to them that are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit.
But the end of all things is at hand: be ye therefore sober, and watch unto prayer.

 

[Alithis]

Originally Posted by Alithis
god does not allow you to be tempted above your ability to resist ... not EVER .. so since at every time according to the word of god (not me ) why do you insist that you can't resist doing that act .. when God has stated that he does not allow you to be tempted beyond your ability to resist ...

Adam & Eve (cough)

well that's a bit embarrassing again..why do you post such things ?
read the account of adam and eve.. at what time did they not have a choice ?
at what time were they tempted beyond what they were able to resist ?

are you trying to say the scripture lied ..?- here -let's read it ...


..." Now these things occurred as examples to keep us from setting our hearts on evil things as they did. Do not be idolaters, as some of them were; as it is written: “The people sat down to eat and drink and got up to indulge in revelry. We should not commit sexual immorality, as some of them did—and in one day twenty-three thousand of them died. We should not test Christ, as some of them did—and were killed by snakes. And do not grumble, as some of them did—and were killed by the destroying angel.

These things happened to them as examples and were written down as warnings for us, on whom the culmination of the ages has come. So, if you think you are standing firm, be careful that you don’t fall! No temptation has overtaken you except what is common to mankind. And God is faithful; he will not let you be tempted beyond what you can bear. But when you are tempted,he will also provide a way out so that you can endure it......"


yup thats what it says ... plain as day

 

[psalms 91]

You really want to work hard for something God does, don't you? I know that comes across somewhat harsh and I apologize. But it's true that God does the saving.

Who said we're free to do what we want? If we turn away from God, then we damn ourselves.

Thank you, then you do know that Christ has commands for us once saved. I agree He paid the price to save us but it is still out choice

 

[Lamb]

Thank you, then you do know that Christ has commands for us once saved. I agree He paid the price to save us but it is still out choice

Choice of what? You're saved.

 

[psalms 91]

Choice of what? You're saved.

No we have to choose salvation, it isnt just forced on us

 

[Lamb]

No we have to choose salvation, it isnt just forced on us

Jesus died on the cross before you were born. The promise was given in Genesis. Salvation isn't a choice. It's given to us as a Father would give to His child to save him. Wouldn't you save your child if you knew he was going to die? You wouldn't expect to wait for his choosing, right? You'd plan it out, carry it out and see it through. That's LOVE.

 

[psalms 91]

Good then we have to do nothing we just automatically go to heaven no matter what after all we are already saved

 

[Lamb]

Good then we have to do nothing we just automatically go to heaven no matter what after all we are already saved

You're right. We don't have to do anything to get to heaven. We have been given faith in order to believe.

We have the Holy Spirit to guide us into His ways of holiness, yet, we are sinful beings. When we sin, the Law warns us that we can fall from faith. Those who reject the faith damn themselves.

We can't earn it, but we can fall away from it.

 

[psalms 91]

sorry this is universal salvation and I dont accept that at all. we are not all automatically saved, we must accept salvation

 

[TurtleHare]

Universal salvation believes that all are saved regardless of anything. Christianity believes that God has redeemed us through the cross and that we receive salvation by faith in the Savior and those who don't have faith don't receive it.