World History and Palestine/Israel

[MoreCoffee]

Take a look at this video. It is helpful.

 

[Josiah]

Thanks

 

[visionary]

It is interesting that the 'refugees" in Israel are soon regular members of society, no matter what country they fled from. The reason it is so interesting is that the Palestinian "refugees" are now in their third generation and have no intentions of becoming regular members of society, no matter how much money the UN pays them. Maybe that is the problem, they get paid to be "refugees".

 

[psalms 91]

They hold a false hope that the land is theirs

 

[MoreCoffee]

It is interesting that the 'refugees" in Israel are soon regular members of society, no matter what country they fled from. The reason it is so interesting is that the Palestinian "refugees" are now in their third generation and have no intentions of becoming regular members of society, no matter how much money the UN pays them. Maybe that is the problem, they get paid to be "refugees".

The Palestinians resident in the occupied territories are not permitted by Israeli law to become 'regular members of [Israeli] society" yet they are a source of cheap labour for many government enterprises and private businesses in Israel. It ought not to be the responsibility of the United Nations to pay for Palestinian relief and rebuilding after their homes and towns are bombed. But we, here in CH, are not in a position to correct the problems present in Israel and Palestine.

 

[psalms 91]

Yet you seem to want to deal with refugees quite a bit at least in the other thread, this seems to be a 180 on your part

 

[MoreCoffee]

Yet you seem to want to deal with refugees quite a bit at least in the other thread, this seems to be a 180 on your part

What do you perceive as the former part and what do you perceive as the new part which you attribute to me?

 

[psalms 91]

You seem to wqant to take to task americans but at the same time it seems as if you are saying it is not the worlds problem which basically is what the UN is. If not the worlds then whose? And why if that is so would you come magainst any country?

 

[MoreCoffee]

You seem to want to take to task americans but at the same time it seems as if you are saying it is not the worlds problem which basically is what the UN is. If not the worlds then whose? And why if that is so would you come against any country?

Canadians are Americans and Canada takes in many refugees. The USA is a little less generous despite being approximately ten times the population and more than ten times the economic size of Canada. People from the USA are also Americans as are Brazilians and Mexicans.

Regarding the United Nations I say this. That organisation has a tiny budget in comparison with the wealth of the nations who vote in it so it is unreasonable to expect an organisation with such limited funds and with no territory of its own to solve a problem involving around six million externally displaced people from Syria. It seems a little unbalanced to expect Lebanon to take 1,600,000 refugee people, Turkey to take 1,000,000, and Jordan to take 600,000 while the USA (for example) takes 10,000. Australia is taking 12,000 and Australia's population is about one fifteenth that of the USA. But that is not the point here is it? This thread is about morals and how they are either applied or denied by what people "see" through the lens of their fears of those Syrian refugees.

 

[psalms 91]

However they are comprised of all nations and should be able to solve most things and their budget is far from small

 

[MoreCoffee]

However they are comprised of all nations and should be able to solve most things and their budget is far from small

They ought to be able to solve problems - perhaps not all but at least many - and their budget ought to be quite sufficient if only the the member nations would contribute the funds needed. To solve or try to solve the world's problems requires something that is notably absent: political will and effort to really solve the problems rather than appealing to domestic prejudices encouraged in the media and by some political agitators.

 

[psalms 91]

Well, the US contributes quite a lot towards the budget and donanteed the land the UN is built on. Far to long we have been the worlds peacekeepers, it is time for others to step up and quit blaming the US for not stepping in places

 

[MoreCoffee]

Well, the US contributes quite a lot towards the budget and donated the land the UN is built on. Far to long we have been the worlds peacekeepers, it is time for others to step up and quit blaming the US for not stepping in places

Had the USA not provided land in NYC then the UN headquarters would be in Europe along with nearly all of the UN's agency offices. (source)

 

[psalms 91]

Had the USA not provided land in NYC then the UN headquarters would be in Europe along with nearly all of the UN's agency offices. (source)

Really? You mean that countries were lining up to have them?

 

[MoreCoffee]

Really? You mean that countries were lining up to have them?

Yes.

 

[psalms 91]

That would be wonderful if true. To bad that they dont also see their way to contributing more to the finances of the institution

 

[MoreCoffee]

God willing Israel and Palestine will make peace with each other.

 

[psalms 91]

Goes against scripture at least till you are in the millenial

 

[MoreCoffee]

Goes against scripture at least till you are in the millenial

That isn't right.

 

[psalms 91]

Do you read revelation that talks of a false peace set up by antichrist for 3 and 1/2 years and then there is war and they are to the point of being overrun and then Christ returns. Doesnt sound like much peace there does it