Some thoughts on guns in the USA ...

[Highlander]

Yes, Nukes do not kill people either. It's all a matter of efficiency. Nukes are very efficient at killing people so human beings world wide want them to be gone or only in the 'hands' of a very few very responsible people. Nerve gas is an efficient people killer too and people the world over want it gone. Virulent viruses and other virulent micro-organisms are efficient people killers and people everywhere wish they were never made. These are large scale efficient people killers. There is a descending scale of efficiency for people killing instruments. Human beings carefully control poisons, tanks, bombs, etcetera. Many lands have laws forbidding swords unless they are blunt non-lethal ones. And then we come to guns. The NRA propagandises that guns are a right and that they are part of the right to self defence. That is not the truth. Guns, like lethal swords, poisons, tanks, bombs, nerve-gas, and nukes ought to be controlled in proportion to the efficiency with which they can kill people.

Maybe you need even MORE coffee, MoreCoffee. The right to bear arms is NOT a slice of propaganda, it is a constitutional right that is not deniable. Where did you learn your American history at?

Guns, nukes, etc., are measured in proportion to the efficiency with which they can PROTECT people. Your method of doing things is what they do in communist nations -- disarm the population so that the government has total control. Why would you want this to happen to America?

 

[Highlander]

The bible is full of comments telling people how to think and what is good for them.

Are you admitting to being an atheist, Coffee? Criticizing the bible sure makes you sound like one. Maybe you should try giving it a read???

 

[Stravinsk]

Maybe you need even MORE coffee, MoreCoffee. The right to bear arms is NOT a slice of propaganda, it is a constitutional right that is not deniable. Where did you learn your American history at?

Guns, nukes, etc., are measured in proportion to the efficiency with which they can PROTECT people. Your method of doing things is what they do in communist nations -- disarm the population so that the government has total control. Why would you want this to happen to America?

Regarding the text I made bold: It's actually a right that the Constitution recognizes. Not that it grants, as the reading can imply when "constitution" is applied as an adjective to the term "right". The right is God-given. The Constitution recognizes it. This is an important distinction that lends credibility to the Constitution, as it does not give or grant rights - it recognizes them as self evident.

 

[MoreCoffee]

... Where did you learn your American history at?

At school in Los Angeles, California.

Guns, nukes, etc., are measured in proportion to the efficiency with which they can PROTECT people. Your method of doing things is what they do in communist nations -- disarm the population so that the government has total control. Why would you want this to happen to America?

Nuclear weapons, nerve gas, and lethal contagious viral and bacterial pathogens efficiently protect people? Do you feel safe because they exist?

 

[MoreCoffee]

The bible is full of comments telling people how to think and what is good for them.

Are you admitting to being an atheist, Coffee? Criticizing the bible sure makes you sound like one. Maybe you should try giving it a read???

Isn't the bible full of comments telling people how to think and what is good for them?

 

[psalms 91]

Isn't the bible full of comments telling people how to think and what is good for them?

Bible equals God since it is not from man but from Him, are you equating God to politicians?

 

[Highlander]

Regarding the text I made bold: It's actually a right that the Constitution recognizes. Not that it grants, as the reading can imply when "constitution" is applied as an adjective to the term "right". The right is God-given. The Constitution recognizes it. This is an important distinction that lends credibility to the Constitution, as it does not give or grant rights - it recognizes them as self evident.

Of course it is "endowed by our Creator," as we all know. The right IS God-given, but this is also RECOGNIZED by our constitution. I don't see any argument here, so what is your point?

 

[Highlander]

At school in Los Angeles, California.



Nuclear weapons, nerve gas, and lethal contagious viral and bacterial pathogens efficiently protect people? Do you feel safe because they exist?

I certainly feel safer knowing that WE can match these weapons that are in the possession of very evil thugs around the world. Would you prefer that THEY have all of those things and that we disarm ourselves and TRUST that nobody will take advantage? This is a question you must ask yourself -- and try to give an honest answer.

*****At school in Los Angeles, California.*****
Thank you. That explains a lot.

 

[Highlander]

Isn't the bible full of comments telling people how to think and what is good for them?

I see. So you OPPOSE the bible. That explains much.

Thanks.

 

[Stravinsk]

Regarding the text I made bold: It's actually a right that the Constitution recognizes. Not that it grants, as the reading can imply when "constitution" is applied as an adjective to the term "right". The right is God-given. The Constitution recognizes it. This is an important distinction that lends credibility to the Constitution, as it does not give or grant rights - it recognizes them as self evident.

Of course it is "endowed by our Creator," as we all know. The right IS God-given, but this is also RECOGNIZED by our constitution. I don't see any argument here, so what is your point?

No argument. The point was to point it out, as I think sometimes people confuse the idea of the origins of this right in the language used to defend it when referring to the Constitution. That's all.

 

[MoreCoffee]

Isn't the bible full of comments telling people how to think and what is good for them?

I see. So you OPPOSE the bible. That explains much.

Thanks.

Since the bible is full of comments telling people what to do and how to think you reply is completely irrational.

 

[Alithis]

I see. So you OPPOSE the bible. That explains much.

Thanks.

No one, thus far ,disagrees with SOME of morecoffees religious beliefs more vehemently then me..
But- this post ,is just the epitome of word twisting.. Not agreeing with "you" does not equate to opposing the bible.

Imo he opposes some parts of the bible ..but not all .and i will oppose him on those points and do.often.. But dont make blanket statements that are purly opinion based.

 

[Josiah]

No argument. The point was to point it out, as I think sometimes people confuse the idea of the origins of this right in the language used to defend it when referring to the Constitution. That's all.

.... a valid point. Actually, the DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE speaks of divine rights (naming 3 - life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, the latter two being pretty obscure and the first negated by roe v. wade if not before that). And the Declaration of Independence never mentions guns.


I don't see any reason to accept that GOD gave all people some DIVINE RIGHT to own a gun. I just don't see that anywhere in Scripture. There MIGHT be some implied right to defend oneself, but it's absurd to argue this includes by any means available.


I think that often this discussion is not philosphical but simply a matter of where to draw the very subjective line. FEW people believe that ALL guns should be in the hands of ALL people (as a divine OR civil "right"). I think that Cuba may the the only country where ALL guns are illegal to ALL people. But should a mentally insane, criminally violent 12 year old have an assult rifle? MOST would probably say that's not an excellent idea (or something God mandates).




Pax CHRISTI



- Josiah

 

[MoreCoffee]

No one, thus far ,disagrees with SOME of morecoffees religious beliefs more vehemently then me..
But- this post ,is just the epitome of word twisting.. Not agreeing with "you" does not equate to opposing the bible.

Imo he opposes some parts of the bible ..but not all .and i will oppose him on those points and do.often.. But dont make blanket statements that are purly opinion based.

MoreCoffee does not oppose any part of the holy scriptures.

 

[Highlander]

No one, thus far ,disagrees with SOME of morecoffees religious beliefs more vehemently then me..
But- this post ,is just the epitome of word twisting.. Not agreeing with "you" does not equate to opposing the bible.

Imo he opposes some parts of the bible ..but not all .and i will oppose him on those points and do.often.. But dont make blanket statements that are purly opinion based.

Aside from actual, concrete facts, virtually everything else in any forum IS purely opinion. At the same time, I'd welcome your thoughts on the bible to clarify things.

 

[Alithis]

Aside from actual, concrete facts, virtually everything else in any forum IS purely opinion. At the same time, I'd welcome your thoughts on the bible to clarify things.

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I know..i too am lazy and do not always read through while threads before i reply.
You might find iv not be too popular on the topic.perferring to trust god over my ability with a gun .knowing he is far more able.

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[psalms 91]

I agree He is able and sometimes He tells us to use the tools presented

 

[MoreCoffee]

I agree He is able and sometimes He tells us to use the tools presented

Then Jesus said to him: "Put your sword back in its place. For all who take up the sword shall perish by the sword. Or do you think that I cannot ask my Father, so that he would give me, even now, more than twelve legions of Angels?
(Matthew 26:52-53)

 

[psalms 91]

One instance not something to base a whole theology on

 

[MoreCoffee]

Then Jesus said to him: "Put your sword back in its place. For all who take up the sword shall perish by the sword. Or do you think that I cannot ask my Father, so that he would give me, even now, more than twelve legions of Angels?
(Matthew 26:52-53)

One instance not something to base a whole theology on

You say "one instance" are you sure it is alone?

But the word of the Lord came to me, saying: "You have shed much blood, and you have battled in many wars. You are not able to build a house to my name, so great was the shedding of blood before me. (1 Chronicles 22:8)
Jehovah examines the upright and the wicked, the lover of violence he detests. (Psalms 11:5)