USA Taxation and representation.

[psalms 91]

That's not really the question.

Should an immigrant who pays taxes be denied a vote, while a citizen who does not work still gets a vote?

Yes no non citizen should vote period

 

[MoreCoffee]

Yes no non citizen should vote period

Nobody votes for periods.

 

[psalms 91]

or commas:tongueincheek:

 

[ImaginaryDay2]

No Taxation without Representation was a catch cry of the USA revolution from 1776 AD onwards. A principle that many still regard as fundamental. Yet in the USA many immigrants who are not citizens pay taxes and cannot vote thus they have no representation despite being taxed. Is this morally acceptable? If you say it is then please explain why it is morally acceptable and include you view of the catch cry "No Taxation without Representation".

Being an American living in Canada, this right has been stripped from me. I am in the position of double-taxation (U.S. and Canada), being a permanent resident here, and still a U.S. citizen. I have no voting rights in either place, as I would have to become a Canadian citizen first. In the U.S. I have no fixed address, but will still have to pay taxes. The citizenship option is looking more appealing all the time. I would renounce the oath of allegiance to the Queen, however. My allegiance is to Christ alone.

 

[MoreCoffee]

Being an American living in Canada, this right has been stripped from me. I am in the position of double-taxation (U.S. and Canada), being a permanent resident here, and still a U.S. citizen. I have no voting rights in either place, as I would have to become a Canadian citizen first. In the U.S. I have no fixed address, but will still have to pay taxes. The citizenship option is looking more appealing all the time. I would renounce the oath of allegiance to the Queen, however. My allegiance is to Christ alone.

It's interesting how many Christians dislike taking an oath and opt for the "affirmation" instead. The affirmation was included as an alternative because no self respecting atheist could swear by almighty God but I imagine that the majority who use the affirmation are Christians with scruples about oaths.

Whatever you do, ImaginaryDay, do not tell James how you feel about the Queen

 

[tango]

Yes no non citizen should vote period

So do you disapprove of the Boston Tea Party's fundamental ethos then? Should those people have simply shrugged and accepted the lack of representation? And do you not think it's weird that a workshy individual can vote to decide what happens to the taxes paid by someone who can't vote, simply because of an accident of birth?

 

[tango]

Being an American living in Canada, this right has been stripped from me. I am in the position of double-taxation (U.S. and Canada), being a permanent resident here, and still a U.S. citizen. I have no voting rights in either place, as I would have to become a Canadian citizen first. In the U.S. I have no fixed address, but will still have to pay taxes. The citizenship option is looking more appealing all the time. I would renounce the oath of allegiance to the Queen, however. My allegiance is to Christ alone.

I'd be surprised if you really do face double taxation, I'd have thought there was a tax treaty between the US and Canada that meant you only paid once. Of course claiming it can be a headache, and things like the foreign earned income exclusion turned into a bit of a con trick a few years ago, but I'd have thought you'd only pay the higher of the two tax regimes rather than the total.

 

[MoreCoffee]

I'd be surprised if you really do face double taxation, I'd have thought there was a tax treaty between the US and Canada that meant you only paid once. Of course claiming it can be a headache, and things like the foreign earned income exclusion turned into a bit of a con trick a few years ago, but I'd have thought you'd only pay the higher of the two tax regimes rather than the total.

Why pay any USA taxes if you do not live in the USA?

 

[psalms 91]

Why pay any USA taxes if you do not live in the USA?

If you work here then you should pay here. Jobs are not rights and to allow someone to come here to work is a privelege

 

[MoreCoffee]

If you work here then you should pay here. Jobs are not rights and to allow someone to come here to work is a privelege

That comment is totally irrelevant to the current discussion. ImaginaryDay is not working in the USA and not resident in the USA.

 

[Josiah]

Why pay any USA taxes if you do not live in the USA?

EVERYONE pays taxes to countries they don't live in.... I bought a Mazda some time ago; I'm sure Mazda paid HUNDREDS of dollars (equal thereof) in taxes to Japan that got passed on to me in the price of the car. I've never even been to Japan. Of course, when one in Japan buys something made in the USA, they pay American taxes....

And whenever I'm in Europe (on business or pleasure), I pay VERY high taxes - "value added" taxes mostly buried in the purchase price of things (there's a reason prices are so high in Europe - it's TAXES), and sometimes a quarter at least of my hotel bill is taxes. And I'm ONLY a citizen of the USA. When a European comes to the USA, they get to pay American taxes, too (just not as high).

It's how it works. What is, is.




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[psalms 91]

Yup, and if youn get money from the government you pay taxes whether you live in the USA or not, and tyou should