Salvation comes from God alone

[psalms 91]

where did the concept that the church is the lifeboat come from?

Where I heard it or read it was with a German pastor who was killed during WW2. Bomnake was the name I believe, so not hold me to the sppelling. We need to start trating the church as such and quit turning it into something we worship

 

[visionary]

Where I heard it or read it was with a German pastor who was killed during WW2. Bomnake was the name I believe, so not hold me to the spelling. We need to start treating the church as such and quit turning it into something we worship

So no biblical foundation... While I do believe in organizational effectiveness in reaching the masses, it is still fraught with mismanagement of faith, doctrines, abuse, and money.

 

[MoreCoffee]

Yes and I have also done communion outside the church and for a time didn't go to a church but still believed. I consider church an important part of my faith but it is not the source of it

The body of Christ is the church of the living God and that church is not merely a building or collections of buildings. It is the temple of the Holy Spirit built out of living stones (that is to say it is built out of the faithful people of God). It is through these faithful people of God that you received your bible and the sacraments and the teaching of Christ. These faithful people of God are the church to which I have referred in my posts in this thread - see posts #8 and post #1.

 

[Josiah]

The church is the body of Christ.

NOT the individual Catholic denomination..... Not in ANY sense, not in ANY way.

 

[Alithis]

The body of Christ is the church of the living God and that church is not merely a building or collections of buildings. It is the temple of the Holy Spirit built out of living stones (that is to say it is built out of the faithful people of God). It is through these faithful people of God that you received your bible and the sacraments and the teaching of Christ. These faithful people of God are the church to which I have referred in my posts in this thread - see posts #8 and post #1.

and thus NOT a seperate entity which we "look to"

 

[psalms 91]

exactly. truth is truth, and when you look at the church in the west you see the problems as well as the good and it doesnt take a bible scholar to see that as a whole we need to reach out to those who many would not want in the church, the drug addict, the alcoholic, the prostitute, these are the ones we should be reaching out to and demonstrating the love of Christ to

 

[MoreCoffee]

and thus NOT a separate entity which we "look to"

The church is a community and we do look to it as we look to Christ whose body the church is.

 

[Josiah]

The church is a community

Thus, not the individual RC Denomination.... not ANY denomination (the Catholic one or any other - egotistical, power-grabbing claims of the RCC and LDS each for self alone notwithstanding).




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[MoreCoffee]

The Catholic Church is a community.

 

[Josiah]

The Catholic Church is a community.

No. The RC Denomination is a denomination. And while CATHOLICS (not ANY denomination, not even the RCC or LDS in spite of the egotistical claims of each for self alone) while CHRISTIANS who just happen to be officially registered in a parish owned and operated by The Catholic Denomination are Christians, THEY are simply A COMMUNITY within the whole of the corpus of Christians who are - together - Christians; thus these officially registered parish members are no more the church than those Christians officially registered in parishes owned and operated by the Wisconsin Evangelical Lutheran Synod or any other denomination one might mention. The RCC (and LDS) egotistically equate itself with God because of their felt-need to make self God (remember the sin in the Garden?).... to absolutely aggrandize self uniquely.... to justify to self the obsession to lord it over others as the Gentiles do.

I don't claim that CHRISTIANS who just happen to be officially registered in a parish legally owned and operated by The Catholic Denomination are not Christians.... just that The Catholic Denomination IS Christians, IS the Body of Christ. It's a silly, unbiblical, unhistoric claim that only and solely flows from the supreme, all-encompusing EGO of the RC Denomination and its felt need for unmitigated POWER, unaccountability, equality with God, and to lord it over others as the Gentiles do.




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[MoreCoffee]

There are many communities in the world. The Catholic Church is the Lord's community of the faithful in the world. It is his church. And salvation comes from the Lord through the church. This is the teaching of the holy scriptures.

 

[visionary]

There are many communities in the world. The Catholic Church is the Lord's community of the faithful in the world. It is his church. And salvation comes from the Lord through the church. This is the teaching of the holy scriptures.

Through...what/ who??.. Scriptures says and Yeshua stated ... only through Him.

 

[MoreCoffee]

Through...what/ who??.. Scriptures says and Yeshua stated ... only through Him.

Through the Church of the living God which is the ground and support of the truth.

 

[visionary]

Through the Church of the living God which is the ground and support of the truth.

now there is a sand pile with no foundation.

 

[MoreCoffee]

Through the Church of the living God which is the ground and support of the truth.

now there is a sand pile with no foundation.

So you say but the holy scriptures are a better foundation that any opinion offered by the rabbis. "I am writing these things to you, hoping to come to you before long; but in case I am delayed, I write so that you will know how one ought to conduct himself in the household of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and support of the truth." (1 Timothy 3:14-15)

 

[psalms 91]

The church is full of manmade traditions and not always biblical, it is through Jesus alone. Narrow is the way, not broad, there is only one which is Jesus

 

[MoreCoffee]

The church is full of manmade traditions and not always biblical, it is through Jesus alone. Narrow is the way, not broad, there is only one which is Jesus

I am not going to take your word for it since you're contradicting the holy scripture which says of the Church that it is the church of the living God, the pillar and support of the truth. I'll stick with what the holy scriptures say.

 

[psalms 91]

I am not going to take you word for it since you're contradicting the holy scripture which says of the Church that it is the church of the living God, the pillar and support of the truth. I'll stick with what the holy scriptures say.

Then hear what Jesus says that He is the way the truth and the life, there is no other way unto the Father but by me

 

[MoreCoffee]

Then hear what Jesus says that He is the way the truth and the life, there is no other way unto the Father but by me

I hear and believe that. I hear and believe that the Church is the body of Christ.

 

[psalms 91]

No, believers are