why not trump -why trump BUT WHY do christians care ?

[Alithis]

Why are so many christians arguing ,sometimes like bickering children ,back biting and nasty even, filed with every malice and evil ..over something that the lord had already sorted out ..he allows rulers to rise which nations deserve and he does so for his own God and righteous purposes ..i mean read the old testament !

he caused kingdoms to rise and fall at exactly the right times he brought kings to war ,he caused kings to be victories and kings to be utterly destroyed all according to his own decrees .

why doubt that the lord knows EXACTLY who your next president wil be and that it will be according to his perfect will and in his perfect timing -did he fall off the throne suddenly ? do you think you can out do him ? i laugh at the notion .

 

[MoreCoffee]

Trumps may come and trumps may go without upsetting God's purposes. But if Donald Trump became USA president then Christians ought to take heed and see what will follow, it may be a sign of the end of the USA.

 

[psalms 91]

No matter who it is the end of the USA, just a question of when because I am sure we are going down and are being judged

 

[Alithis]

No matter who it is the end of the USA, just a question of when because I am sure we are going down and are being judged

just as all others

 

[tango]

Why are so many christians arguing ,sometimes like bickering children ,back biting and nasty even, filed with every malice and evil ..over something that the lord had already sorted out ..he allows rulers to rise which nations deserve and he does so for his own God and righteous purposes ..i mean read the old testament !

he caused kingdoms to rise and fall at exactly the right times he brought kings to war ,he caused kings to be victories and kings to be utterly destroyed all according to his own decrees .

why doubt that the lord knows EXACTLY who your next president wil be and that it will be according to his perfect will and in his perfect timing -did he fall off the throne suddenly ? do you think you can out do him ? i laugh at the notion .

Perhaps, but if we take that kind of reasoning too far we end up not doing anything because we figure God will sort it all out anyway.

God may lift rulers up and tear rulers down, and at the same time God may provide for the poor in supernatural ways. We don't get to shrug and figure God will take care of the poor so we don't need to bother, so I don't see any reason why we shouldn't cast a vote.

Some of the vitriol thrown around in political discussions is disheartening but in a world that "discusses" with little more than silly one-liner memes on faceache it's easy to see why camps divide and can't find common ground.

 

[Alithis]

Perhaps, but if we take that kind of reasoning too far we end up not doing anything because we figure God will sort it all out anyway.

God may lift rulers up and tear rulers down, and at the same time God may provide for the poor in supernatural ways. We don't get to shrug and figure God will take care of the poor so we don't need to bother, so I don't see any reason why we shouldn't cast a vote.

Some of the vitriol thrown around in political discussions is disheartening but in a world that "discusses" with little more than silly one-liner memes on faceache it's easy to see why camps divide and can't find common ground.

prayer is not nothing and is hands down more effectual then ANY other chosen activity. yet it seems , so often the least course of action taken.

 

[tango]

prayer is not nothing and is hands down more effectual then ANY other chosen activity. yet it seems , so often the least course of action taken.

James had a few choice words for how people interact with the hungry. Saying "be warm, be filled" or sending him away with "I'll pray for you" doesn't fill his tummy. When Jesus fed the 5000 he did something specific, he didn't just shrug and say "I'll pray for you guys".

Of course we can pray for people but we also need to be doing practical things as well. In Matthew 25 when Jesus talked to the sheep and the goats he didn't praise and condemn based on "when did we see you hungry and pray for you, when did we see you thirsty and pray for you", it was "when did we see you hungry and feed you" and "when did we see you thirsty and give you drink". When the goats didn't give the hungry some food, or the thirsty some drink, they may have had good intentions to pray for them, they may even have actually got on their knees and prayed, but they didn't do what was required in the situation.

There are always situations where we can't be expected to do anything. There's no way I can personally feed every hungry child in Africa. There's no way I can heal someone facing advanced cancer, or heal the broken heart of someone whose spouse abandoned them. In situations like that prayer may be the only thing I can do. But when we're perfectly capable of fixing a problem it seems a bit daft to figure God will do it so we don't have to.

 

[Alithis]

James had a few choice words for how people interact with the hungry. Saying "be warm, be filled" or sending him away with "I'll pray for you" doesn't fill his tummy. When Jesus fed the 5000 he did something specific, he didn't just shrug and say "I'll pray for you guys".

Of course we can pray for people but we also need to be doing practical things as well. In Matthew 25 when Jesus talked to the sheep and the goats he didn't praise and condemn based on "when did we see you hungry and pray for you, when did we see you thirsty and pray for you", it was "when did we see you hungry and feed you" and "when did we see you thirsty and give you drink". When the goats didn't give the hungry some food, or the thirsty some drink, they may have had good intentions to pray for them, they may even have actually got on their knees and prayed, but they didn't do what was required in the situation.

There are always situations where we can't be expected to do anything. There's no way I can personally feed every hungry child in Africa. There's no way I can heal someone facing advanced cancer, or heal the broken heart of someone whose spouse abandoned them. In situations like that prayer may be the only thing I can do. But when we're perfectly capable of fixing a problem it seems a bit daft to figure God will do it so we don't have to.

nahh lol. you switched topics - :hand::nono: we are speaking of government with billions of dollars dragged by tax out of the poor's pockets ..

lets see where carnal activity gets us with law and government .. for example: lets protest in the carnal manner about homosexuslity .. ok ..now let's observe the outcome ..

more laws reinforcing it as societal acceptable behaviour .. hmmm well that didn't work .At no time did the lord Jesus attempt to change the government of the age in which he lives .. because he was fully here in regard to a spiritual kingdom . a kingdom not of this world a kingdom which we are supposedly citizens of and which should be our sole purpose and focus of its furtherance . and it is never increased by carnal thinking reasoning or action .simply because it is a spiritual kingdom .

 

[Lamb]

We sang about Trump today in church! No really. Read this:

Middle of last verse from This Joyful Eastertide:

Till trump from east to west Shall wake the dead in number.

LOL

Okay, my apologies to the OP... yes, I do believe God allows rulers to take control and I really hate politics.

 

[psalms 91]

God allows good and evil in power, and He uses both. Either to prosper or to tear down

 

[Alithis]

...re trump

theres one now but its the other ..last trump.. we should be more
concerned with