The power of God ...

[MoreCoffee]

I want you to know, brethren, that I have often intended to come to you (but thus far have been prevented), in order that I may reap some harvest among you as well as among the rest of the Gentiles. I am under obligation both to Greeks and to barbarians, both to the wise and to the foolish: so I am eager to preach the gospel to you also who are in Rome. For I am not ashamed of the gospel: it is the power of God for salvation to every one who has faith, to the Jew first and also to the Greek. For in it the righteousness of God is revealed through faith for faith; as it is written, "He who through faith is righteous shall live." (Romans 1:13-17)

Many Christians want to experience the power of God and some believe that by an experience of a second kind of grace, a grace that they say is "the baptism of the Holy Spirit" they receive God's power but is that true? Isn't the gospel the power of God?

 

[Full O Beans]

We are set free from sin by the power of the gospel, but after that, we are called to experience the baptism of the Holy Spirit whereby we become anointed with His precious gifts that enable us to walk in His callings with great ease and with success.

 

[Brighten04]

I want you to know, brethren, that I have often intended to come to you (but thus far have been prevented), in order that I may reap some harvest among you as well as among the rest of the Gentiles. I am under obligation both to Greeks and to barbarians, both to the wise and to the foolish: so I am eager to preach the gospel to you also who are in Rome. For I am not ashamed of the gospel: it is the power of God for salvation to every one who has faith, to the Jew first and also to the Greek. For in it the righteousness of God is revealed through faith for faith; as it is written, "He who through faith is righteous shall live." (Romans 1:13-17)

Many Christians want to experience the power of God and some believe that by an experience of a second kind of grace, a grace that they say is "the baptism of the Holy Spirit" they receive God's power but is that true? Isn't the gospel the power of God?

Acts 1:4 And, being assembled together with them, commanded them that they should not depart from Jerusalem, but wait for the promise of the Father, which, saith he, ye have heard of me.

5 For John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence.

Acts 1:8 But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.

 

[MoreCoffee]

Acts 1:4 And, being assembled together with them, commanded them that they should not depart from Jerusalem, but wait for the promise of the Father, which, saith he, ye have heard of me.

5 For John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence.

Acts 1:8 But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.

One receives power, yes, yet it is the gospel that is the power of God.

For the word of the cross is folly to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. For it is written, "I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and the cleverness of the clever I will thwart." Where is the wise man? Where is the scribe? Where is the debater of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world? For since, in the wisdom of God, the world did not know God through wisdom, it pleased God through the folly of what we preach to save those who believe. For Jews demand signs and Greeks seek wisdom, but we preach Christ crucified, a stumbling block to Jews and folly to Gentiles, but to those who are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God. For the foolishness of God is wiser than men, and the weakness of God is stronger than men. For consider your call, brethren; not many of you were wise according to worldly standards, not many were powerful, not many were of noble birth; but God chose what is foolish in the world to shame the wise, God chose what is weak in the world to shame the strong, God chose what is low and despised in the world, even things that are not, to bring to nothing things that are, so that no human being might boast in the presence of God. He is the source of your life in Christ Jesus, whom God made our wisdom, our righteousness and sanctification and redemption; therefore, as it is written, "Let him who boasts, boast of the Lord." When I came to you, brethren, I did not come proclaiming to you the testimony of God in lofty words or wisdom. For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ and him crucified. And I was with you in weakness and in much fear and trembling; and my speech and my message were not in plausible words of wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power, that your faith might not rest in the wisdom of men but in the power of God. (1 Corinthians 1:18-2:5)

Those who wish to show God's glorious power have a simple pathway to it; preach the gospel, be at it in all seasons and in all places.

 

[Brighten04]

One receives power, yes, yet it is the gospel that is the power of God.

For the word of the cross is folly to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. For it is written, "I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and the cleverness of the clever I will thwart." Where is the wise man? Where is the scribe? Where is the debater of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world? For since, in the wisdom of God, the world did not know God through wisdom, it pleased God through the folly of what we preach to save those who believe. For Jews demand signs and Greeks seek wisdom, but we preach Christ crucified, a stumbling block to Jews and folly to Gentiles, but to those who are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God. For the foolishness of God is wiser than men, and the weakness of God is stronger than men. For consider your call, brethren; not many of you were wise according to worldly standards, not many were powerful, not many were of noble birth; but God chose what is foolish in the world to shame the wise, God chose what is weak in the world to shame the strong, God chose what is low and despised in the world, even things that are not, to bring to nothing things that are, so that no human being might boast in the presence of God. He is the source of your life in Christ Jesus, whom God made our wisdom, our righteousness and sanctification and redemption; therefore, as it is written, "Let him who boasts, boast of the Lord." When I came to you, brethren, I did not come proclaiming to you the testimony of God in lofty words or wisdom. For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ and him crucified. And I was with you in weakness and in much fear and trembling; and my speech and my message were not in plausible words of wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power, that your faith might not rest in the wisdom of men but in the power of God. (1 Corinthians 1:18-2:5)

Those who wish to show God's glorious power have a simple pathway to it; preach the gospel, be at it in all seasons and in all places.

One needs the power of the Holy Ghost in order to preach the Gospel.

 

[psalms 91]

and also to have signs followuing the Word

 

[MoreCoffee]

One needs the power of the Holy Ghost in order to preach the Gospel.

Saint Paul mentioned that some preached the gospel out of bad motives yet he was pleased nonetheless because the gospel was being preached (Philippians 1:15-17). Those who did it out of bad motives surely were not preaching under the influence of the Holy Spirit, were they?

 

[Alithis]

I want you to know, brethren, that I have often intended to come to you (but thus far have been prevented), in order that I may reap some harvest among you as well as among the rest of the Gentiles. I am under obligation both to Greeks and to barbarians, both to the wise and to the foolish: so I am eager to preach the gospel to you also who are in Rome. For I am not ashamed of the gospel: it is the power of God for salvation to every one who has faith, to the Jew first and also to the Greek. For in it the righteousness of God is revealed through faith for faith; as it is written, "He who through faith is righteous shall live." (Romans 1:13-17)

Many Christians want to experience the power of God and some believe that by an experience of a second kind of grace, a grace that they say is "the baptism of the Holy Spirit" they receive God's power but is that true? Isn't the gospel the power of God?

what version is yhat from ? the last sentance feels quite different.

depends what you (anyone)percieves the power of God to be..?

 

[MoreCoffee]

what version is yhat from ? the last sentance feels quite different.

depends what you (anyone)percieves the power of God to be..?

The passage says that the gospel is "the power of God ..." and the quote is from the RSV (Revised Standard Version)

 

[Alithis]

ok ty re version.

i agree with the scripture..

 

[Brighten04]

So what power was Lord Jesus telling His disciples here?


Acts 1:8 But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.

 

[MoreCoffee]

So what power was Lord Jesus telling His disciples here.


Acts 1:8 But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.

Is that a rhetorical question?

The verse says they would receive power after the Holy Spirit came upon them and they would be Christ's witnesses in Jerusalem and so forth.

 

[Alithis]

So what power was Lord Jesus telling His disciples here.


Acts 1:8 But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.

yes .. I agree with this scripture also

you see sometimes a thing can be said and the backed up with a partial or misrepresented text from scripture .

the gospel is ,according to the verse presented (and it is so) the power of God ... BUT WAIT ..there more !

it is the power of God UNTO salvation and once the way of salvation is entered into .. we must then Also receive the empowerment to bear witness to the salvation of God (the baptism of the Holy Ghost (evidenced by Tongues -as there is no other scriptural evidence that it has occurred) and thus become ones who then carry and deliver the power unto salvation ,that they too may then be born anew and empowered to do likewise... disciples who go and make more disciples

 

[Brighten04]

yes .. I agree with this scripture also

you see sometimes a thing can be said and the backed up with a partial or misrepresented text from scripture .

the gospel is ,according to the verse presented (and it is so) the power of God ... BUT WAIT ..there more !

it is the power of God UNTO salvation and once the way of salvation is entered into .. we must then Also receive the empowerment to bear witness to the salvation of God (the baptism of the Holy Ghost (evidenced by Tongues -as there is no other scriptural evidence that it has occurred) and thus become ones who then carry and deliver the power unto salvation ,that they too may then be born anew and empowered to do likewise... disciples who go and make more disciples

Alitis, I love you brother, but, you have not answered the question.

 

[Brighten04]

Is that a rhetorical question?

The verse says they would receive power after the Holy Spirit came upon them and they would be Christ's witnesses in Jerusalem and so forth.

No, it is not rhetorical. Answer it if you can.

 

[MoreCoffee]

No, it is not rhetorical. Answer it if you can.

I did, the passage says they will receive power but add no special description of the power except to observe that they would be Christ's witnesses in Jerusalem and so forth.

 

[Brighten04]

I did, the passage says they will receive power but add no special description of the power except to observe that they would be Christ's witnesses in Jerusalem and so forth.

More Coffee, it is ok for you to say you don't know.

 

[MoreCoffee]

More Coffee, it is ok for you to say you don't know.

I much prefer to say "the passage doesn't say" because it seems you're claiming that it does when it does not.

 

[Brighten04]

I much prefer to say "the passage doesn't say" because it seems you're claiming that it does when it does not.

OK, so you don't know.

 

[MoreCoffee]

I want you to know, brethren, that I have often intended to come to you (but thus far have been prevented), in order that I may reap some harvest among you as well as among the rest of the Gentiles. I am under obligation both to Greeks and to barbarians, both to the wise and to the foolish: so I am eager to preach the gospel to you also who are in Rome. For I am not ashamed of the gospel: it is the power of God for salvation to every one who has faith, to the Jew first and also to the Greek. For in it the righteousness of God is revealed through faith for faith; as it is written, "He who through faith is righteous shall live." (Romans 1:13-17)

Many Christians want to experience the power of God and some believe that by an experience of a second kind of grace, a grace that they say is "the baptism of the Holy Spirit" they receive God's power but is that true? Isn't the gospel the power of God?

OK, so you don't know.

Let's return to the topic. Please.