Is it right to ask others to pray for us?

[Alithis]

1.The Bible does not forbid anyone to pray.
2.I believe the spirits of the dead in Christ are indeed alive in Christ. I believe they pray praises to our Lord and King Jesus Christ. They, unlike those of us in physical bodies imho don't need to intersede for us, for Lord Jesus taught us how to pray for ourselves. Whether they do or don't is not written. I guess people can believe what they want to believe about this. All things are permissible but not all things are profitable. I guess you have to ask if it profits the living to petition those who have transitioned from earth to Glory.

3. Just my opinion so don't shoot me. I believe people who address spirits other than the Holy Spirit can attract to themselves familiar spirits posing as spirits of relatives or saints. I know a lot of Christians do not believe in evil spirits anymore, but just because people do not believe in them does not make them go away. The devil poses as an angel of light we are told, so we must be aware of his devices.

heres a thought ..why does paul write no epistles addressed those departed from us .

 

[Lamb]

How did the Hebrews and Jews think of those who have passed on?

 

[Alithis]

Depends whether they were of the pharasee or sadducie denomination i guess...

 

[psalms 91]

Yes the Saducess sdid not believe in resurrection

 

[MoreCoffee]

Yes the Saducess did not believe in resurrection

But Christians do believe in the resurrection and in eternal life and in angels and the spirits of just men made perfect.

 

[Brighten04]

How did the Hebrews and Jews think of those who have passed on?

Well King Saul got into some serious trouble for contacting the spirit of Samuel.

 

[Josiah]

Christians have always believed that those in heaven are not dead (at least in every sense) but that in Christ we are alive.

There has arisen this new, weird idea of "soul sleep" but that's not the common view.... and even those "asleep" are not dead.

I gave my view on this topic earlier.

 

[MoreCoffee]

Well King Saul got into some serious trouble for contacting the spirit of Samuel.

Some Jews in ancient times regarded the departed as in need to prayer and atonement.

and gave themselves to prayer, begging that the sin committed might be completely forgiven. Next, the valiant Judas urged the soldiers to keep themselves free from all sin, having seen with their own eyes the effects of the sin of those who had fallen; after this he took a collection from them individually, amounting to nearly two thousand drachmas, and sent it to Jerusalem to have a sacrifice for sin offered, an action altogether fine and noble, prompted by his belief in the resurrection. For had he not expected the fallen to rise again, it would have been superfluous and foolish to pray for the dead, whereas if he had in view the splendid recompense reserved for those who make a pious end, the thought was holy and devout. Hence, he had this expiatory sacrifice offered for the dead, so that they might be released from their sin. (2 Maccabees 12:42-45)

 

[psalms 91]

Some Jews in ancient times regarded the departed as in need to prayer and atonement.

So then, turning themselves to prayers, they petitioned him that the offense which had been done would be delivered into oblivion. And truly, the very strong Judas exhorted the people to keep themselves without sin, since they had seen with their own eyes what had happened because of the sins of those who were struck down. And, calling an assembly, he sent twelve thousand drachmas of silver to Jerusalem, to be offered for a sacrifice for the sins of the dead, thinking well and religiously about the resurrection, (for if he had not hoped that those who had fallen would be resurrected, it would have seemed superfluous and vain to pray for the dead,) and because he considered that those who had fallen asleep with piety had great grace stored up for them. Therefore, it is a holy and beneficial thought to pray on behalf of those who have passed away, so that they may be released from sins.

Once you are dead it is to late there is nothing further to be done. Jesus preaching in hellp p proved that the only ones moved were the ones on the righteous side of hell

 

[MoreCoffee]

Once you are dead it is to late there is nothing further to be done. Jesus preaching in hell proved that the only ones moved were the ones on the righteous side of hell

Catholic Christians believe that the wicked dead have not further hope because they are wicked. That is not so for the righteous who pass from this life.

 

[psalms 91]

Catholic Christians believe that the wicked dead have not further hope because they are wicked. That is not so for the righteous who pass from this life.

If they are righteous then they need no further prayer nor would it do any good

 

[MoreCoffee]

If they are righteous then they need no further prayer nor would it do any good

Yet the holy scriptures say otherwise. The passage I quoted says otherwise.

and gave themselves to prayer, begging that the sin committed might be completely forgiven. Next, the valiant Judas urged the soldiers to keep themselves free from all sin, having seen with their own eyes the effects of the sin of those who had fallen; after this he took a collection from them individually, amounting to nearly two thousand drachmas, and sent it to Jerusalem to have a sacrifice for sin offered, an action altogether fine and noble, prompted by his belief in the resurrection. For had he not expected the fallen to rise again, it would have been superfluous and foolish to pray for the dead, whereas if he had in view the splendid recompense reserved for those who make a pious end, the thought was holy and devout. Hence, he had this expiatory sacrifice offered for the dead, so that they might be released from their sin. (2 Maccabees 12:42-45)

 

[psalms 91]

While I have read macabees that does not mean that I agree with it totally or as anything other than history

 

[psalms 91]

Yet the holy scriptures say otherwise. The passage I quoted says otherwise.

and gave themselves to prayer, begging that the sin committed might be completely forgiven. Next, the valiant Judas urged the soldiers to keep themselves free from all sin, having seen with their own eyes the effects of the sin of those who had fallen; after this he took a collection from them individually, amounting to nearly two thousand drachmas, and sent it to Jerusalem to have a sacrifice for sin offered, an action altogether fine and noble, prompted by his belief in the resurrection. For had he not expected the fallen to rise again, it would have been superfluous and foolish to pray for the dead, whereas if he had in view the splendid recompense reserved for those who make a pious end, the thought was holy and devout. Hence, he had this expiatory sacrifice offered for the dead, so that they might be released from their sin. (2 Maccabees 12:42-45)

aLSO LAST i KNEW cHRIST WAS THE ONLY ONE WHO COULD FORGIVE SIN AND THEN ONLY WHEN WE ASK FOR IT i DONT THINK THEY COULD ASK DO YOU?

 

[Alithis]

Yes the Saducess sdid not believe in resurrection

thats why they were " sad ..you see ? ouch

 

[Alithis]

Some Jews in ancient times regarded the departed as in need to prayer and atonement.

and gave themselves to prayer, begging that the sin committed might be completely forgiven. Next, the valiant Judas urged the soldiers to keep themselves free from all sin, having seen with their own eyes the effects of the sin of those who had fallen; after this he took a collection from them individually, amounting to nearly two thousand drachmas, and sent it to Jerusalem to have a sacrifice for sin offered, an action altogether fine and noble, prompted by his belief in the resurrection. For had he not expected the fallen to rise again, it would have been superfluous and foolish to pray for the dead, whereas if he had in view the splendid recompense reserved for those who make a pious end, the thought was holy and devout. Hence, he had this expiatory sacrifice offered for the dead, so that they might be released from their sin. (2 Maccabees 12:42-45)

there is a reason maccabees is considered a mix of historical / fanciful writings and not include in the 66 books of the bible due to errors contained in it .
the actions of errant men do not dictate to change the righteousness of God .that is why we do not build theology based on traditions of MEN But on the word of god alone .

seeking to commune with or invoke the spirits of those departed from us remains an act of rebellion againt God .no mater how its painted or whose name it is your invoking .. invoking spirits is sometimes done by fastings and incantations ..chanting . hail mary's are nothing more then incantations to invoke her departed spirit and as such are a clear violation of Gods will - thus - sin .

"no one comes to the father but through me .." - JEsus

 

[Full O Beans]

there is a reason maccabees is considered a mix of historical / fanciful writings and not include in the 66 books of the bible due to errors contained in it .
the actions of errant men do not dictate to change the righteousness of God .that is why we do not build theology based on traditions of MEN But on the word of god alone .

seeking to commune with or invoke the spirits of those departed from us remains an act of rebellion againt God .no mater how its painted or whose name it is your invoking .. invoking spirits is sometimes done by fastings and incantations ..chanting . hail mary's are nothing more then incantations to invoke her departed spirit and as such are a clear violation of Gods will - thus - sin .

"no one comes to the father but through me .." - JEsus

Amen! Maccabees is not holy scripture, inspired by God, as it introduces man-contrived and unholy beliefs and practices.

 

[psalms 91]

thats why they were " sad ..you see ? ouch

ROFL

 

[Brighten04]

I think the historical books such as Maccabees, Judith, Tobit, Enoch are valuable but only as history.

 

[Brighten04]

ROFL

You have never heard this I guess. Hehe.:smirk: