What's the deal with Paul?

[George]

I want to understand the whole Anti Pauline stand.

 

[Josiah]

I didn't know there was one.

 

[Stravinsk]

I want to understand the whole Anti Pauline stand.

Are you sure?

A good start would be to start looking at some of the articles on this website:

http://www.jesuswordsonly.com/

 

[psalms 91]

I dont, I accept Paul and his writings

 

[Alithis]

mostly it is sects of judaism .wherein they have overly influenced "some" messianic jews which reject paul's epistles .
for rather obvious reasons .

much the same way some "other" denominations reject sections of of scripture where it does not match with their preferred traditions .

 

[Stravinsk]

Hi George.

I just mentioned this in another thread, so I thought I'd mention it again here. The website I linked is a very good one for serious investigation.

For those of us who do not accept Saul/Paul, there are many reasons, and it cannot be singled out to only one.

That being said.

Investigate Saul's name. Look it up in Hebrew - in the Hebrew used at the time of Yeshua. That Hebrew contained no vowel indicators - otherwise known as "diacritics".

Once you find Saul's name in the Hebrew, compare it to the word used for "Hell", "Grave", "Pit" - Sheol.

You'll find that it is the EXACT same word. I kid you not.

Why would Messiah entrust a majority of His teachings to a man with this name, who only went on to hide it under a name that means "least" - Paul or Paulos?

 

[Full O Beans]

Jesus called Paul, the one who was a deadly influence against Christianity, and He turned him into a great man of God, championing the cause of Christ all over the world!

 

[Full O Beans]

Jesus called Paul, the one who was a deadly influence against Christianity, and He turned him into a great man of God, championing the cause of Christ all over the world! He was given a heavy revelation of the gospel and the kingdom of God, for which Satan sent a demon messenger to try to foment discontent and persecution everywhere he went.

Looks like it is still happening. Glory to God that the epistles Paul wrote and/or dictated were powerfully preserved for us today! He was an amazing messenger of Jesus Christ! No one since has matched nor can still match His anointing.

 

[Alithis]

Jesus called Paul, the one who was a deadly influence against Christianity, and He turned him into a great man of God, championing the cause of Christ all over the world! He was given a heavy revelation of the gospel and the kingdom of God, for which Satan sent a demon messenger to try to foment discontent and persecution everywhere he went.

Looks like it is still happening. Glory to God that the epistles Paul wrote and/or dictated were powerfully preserved for us today! He was an amazing messenger of Jesus Christ! No one since has matched nor can still match His anointing.

the lord JEsus is indeed good to reveal to us things that were held secret before .....

 

[Stravinsk]

Jesus called Paul, the one who was a deadly influence against Christianity, and He turned him into a great man of God, championing the cause of Christ all over the world! He was given a heavy revelation of the gospel and the kingdom of God, for which Satan sent a demon messenger to try to foment discontent and persecution everywhere he went.

Looks like it is still happening. Glory to God that the epistles Paul wrote and/or dictated were powerfully preserved for us today! He was an amazing messenger of Jesus Christ! No one since has matched nor can still match His anointing.

I know right? That's why Yeshua picked him to be one of his 12 disciples, to teach and preach the Gospel and give the great commission to!

Oh wait, He didn't. He decided that His work in the Flesh on Earth and the disciples He hand picked weren't good enough - so he decided to pop out of the clouds to a murdering Pharisee, identify Himself as a Greek God by using the phrase "kicks against the pricks" which is borrowed directly from the Greek play "Bacchae", written hundreds of years before, about a son of Zeus - Dionysus.

And He decided that this murdering Pharisee would have no named eyewitnesses to the event, and that his blinding light/conversion story would contradict in the details of the 3 times the pharisee gave it.

All the years of teaching, of suffering then going to the cross to be witnessed by hand picked disciples was apparently a waste - because all the real "meat" of the message was to be given by special and private revelation to the Pharisee (a class of religious Zealots of whom Yeshua is super fond! and who were responsible for murdering him...) who bears the name of the first King of Israel, which God told Samuel was chosen because the people rejected God...and who's name in Hebrew has also the same exact spelling of the word for "Hell", "Grave" and "Pit" - Sheol.

But wait! He's no longer Saul/Sheol...but Paul! A name that bears nothing resembling glory to God, is not Jewish and simply means "little", "small" or "least".

Who is the person that "comes in his OWN NAME" that the people will accept (John 5:43)?

It couldn't be the guy who wrote most of the NT, who had a mysterious name change...nah...couldn't be him.

 

[Full O Beans]

Jesus raises up apostles according to His will. Paul was a mighty apostle, rich with the power of the Holy Spirit and anointed with a great and weighty revelation of the kingdom.

Anti-Paul rhetoric is from the pit and nowhere else. If you hate Paul, you hate Jesus and God's word. Truth is not in such people...but what is there is distortion and the motive to disturb peace and foment discord.

 

[psalms 91]

Jesus raises up apostles according to His will. Paul was a mighty apostle, rich with the power of the Holy Spirit and anointed with a great and weighty revelation of the kingdom.

Anti-Paul rhetoric is from the pit and nowhere else. If you hate Paul, you hate Jesus and God's word. Truth is not in such people...but what is there is distortion and the motive to disturb peace and foment discord.

Yes and we are not to suffer that as I recall

 

[Stravinsk]

Jesus raises up apostles according to His will. Paul was a mighty apostle, rich with the power of the Holy Spirit and anointed with a great and weighty revelation of the kingdom.

Anti-Paul rhetoric is from the pit and nowhere else. If you hate Paul, you hate Jesus and God's word. Truth is not in such people...but what is there is distortion and the motive to disturb peace and foment discord.

Quoted and underscored for emphasis.

 

[Full O Beans]

Quoted and underscored for emphasis.

Good job.

 

[Stravinsk]

Yes and we are not to suffer that as I recall

Getting ready to boot me? Shouldn't you take me off your friend's list before that happens?

 

[Stravinsk]

Good job.

Quoted for emphasis, not any truth. I know to most Xians, Paul=Jesus. You've just put it into words - but I already knew that about you.

 

[Full O Beans]

Quoted for emphasis, not any truth. I know to most Xians, Paul=Jesus. You've just put it into words - but I already knew that about you.

That's a lie. To Christians, Paul does not equal Jesus. We know he was a major apostle called, equipped and established by Jesus Himself. People who hate Paul are just deceived and have bought into an unholy agenda.

 

[Stravinsk]

I might add - that I have helped to answer the OP's question, and "FullofBeans" and her cheerleaders are simply towing the party line, which is not what the OP wanted to know about. Now they are forming their ranks to influence a decision about me.

I know your type. You are Pharisees and full of it, just like the person you so often quote. You don't really love Messiah, because if you did, you wouldn't want to replace his Teachings with those of Saul/Paul - whom you exalt.

 

[Stravinsk]

Jesus raises up apostles according to His will. Paul was a mighty apostle, rich with the power of the Holy Spirit and anointed with a great and weighty revelation of the kingdom.

Anti-Paul rhetoric is from the pit and nowhere else. If you hate Paul, you hate Jesus and God's word. Truth is not in such people...but what is there is distortion and the motive to disturb peace and foment discord.

Quoted for emphasis, not any truth. I know to most Xians, Paul=Jesus. You've just put it into words - but I already knew that about you.

That's a lie. To Christians, Paul does not equal Jesus. We know he was a major apostle called, equipped and established by Jesus Himself. People who hate Paul are just deceived and have bought into an unholy agenda.

Care to see the contradiction between what you just said in the space of a few minutes?

Hint, just read the bold parts.

 

[Full O Beans]

Your arguments are extremely faulty. There is no contradiction in anything I have said. Paul does not equal Jesus in any Christian's estimation, but He is anointed, empowered and full of the Holy Spirit, acting in his calling by Christ as His apostle. If a person despises the messenger, he also despises the sender....and also the message itself. Basic. Truth.