Article says you can become a Virgin again

[Full O Beans]

It may not be a burdensome thing but I don't know that I'd want to spend many years in jail for rape, forgiven by God or not. From what I gather rapists don't get a particularly good time inside. I wouldn't presume to say whether or not it would be a burdensome to spend years in jail knowing that any one of the other prisoners might try and do you in without warning.



I'm not sure what you're saying here. I think you're saying that a forgiven woman (it could just as easily be a man, of course) doesn't necessarily have to lie about it. My point is that it's silly to regard ourselves as being a virgin if the truth is we aren't. I'd rather describe myself as a forgiven sinner than think I never did anything wrong.

No, it is not silly. It is a bittersweet joy afforded to a man or woman who has not obeyed God and remained pure before marriage, to be made right with God and given a new life, a new paradigm and a new start!

 

[Alithis]

It's not rubbish when one who is plagued with guilt over his/her sin receives complete pardon and is made wholly new in Jesus! Justified in Christ means that to God, it is as though you have never sinned.

yeah i sort of get what your trying to say .. but the physical act and fact they are no longer a virgin is not changed by the renewal of a clear conscience. one is a spiritual position before god
the other physical .

spiritually in the realm of guilt and pardon ..they are fully pardoned (in so much as they do not continue practicing thier sin) but they cannot go to thier betrothed on their wedding night saying "i am a virgin i have never lain with a man intimately [or otherwise, -allowing that losing virginity outside of marriage is not always sin.. thats made clear in deuteronomy i think it is ]

 

[Full O Beans]

yeah i sort of get what your trying to say .. but the physical act and fact they are no longer a virgin is not changed by the renewal of a clear conscience. one is a spiritual position before god
the other physical .

spiritually in the realm of guilt and pardon ..they are fully pardoned (in so much as they do not continue practicing thier sin) but they cannot go to thier betrothed on their wedding night saying "i am a virgin i have never lain with a man intimately [or otherwise, -allowing that losing virginity outside of marriage is not always sin.. thats made clear in deuteronomy i think it is ]

No there is no victory in lying. This is a spiritual event that reaches into the soul of the person, clearing away the debris of sin---its painful memory and cuts off the present and future from the curse of the sin, and the spiritual strongholds that could develop.

 

[Alithis]

No there is no victory in lying. This is a spiritual event that reaches into the soul of the person, clearing away the debris of sin---its painful memory and cuts off the present and future from the curse of the sin, and the spiritual strongholds that could develop.

apologies .. i don't understand the reply .

 

[Brighten04]

apologies .. i don't understand the reply .

Because she is speaking spiritually and you are thinking physical so you are missing her point.Even the article is speaking spiritually. And no matter how many times this point is made, if you do not engage the Holy Spirit you will not understand her reply.

 

[Lamb]

Articles like these are to tease your senses so you read them. God does forgive us and we are justified because Jesus took our sins to the cross and the sacrificed accepted.

Does God call someone a virgin though even after that forgiveness?

 

[Brighten04]

Articles like these are to tease your senses so you read them. God does forgive us and we are justified because Jesus took our sins to the cross and the sacrificed accepted.

Does God call someone a virgin though even after that forgiveness?

I think you can compare the word virgin with the word pure/purify for the answer to your question. Despite what man or Satan tells us, God sees us as if we never sinned once we have been forgiven. So He purifies us and cleanses all of our unrighteousness.So, imho yes He does see us as pure. That is the glory of salvation. And it is marvelous in our eyes.

Titus 2:14
Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.

 

[Stravinsk]

I think you can compare the word virgin with the word pure/purify for the answer to your question. Despite what man or Satan tells us, God sees us as if we never sinned once we have been forgiven. So He purifies us and cleanses all of our unrighteousness.So, imho yes He does see us as pure. That is the glory of salvation. And it is marvelous in our eyes.

Titus 2:14
Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.

Who said this, God, or Satan?

Matt 12:36-37

Careful how you answer. :wink:

 

[Stravinsk]

Articles like these are to tease your senses so you read them. God does forgive us and we are justified because Jesus took our sins to the cross and the sacrificed accepted.

Does God call someone a virgin though even after that forgiveness?

Lammchen, I don't think you'll ever "get it". Nor I. You see, one needs that "special understanding" that only a select few have, twisting their minds around in what is normally called cognitive dissonance, but in their reality is "spiritual enlightenment". If one really wants to force a square peg through a round hole, so to speak, one does need this special ability. Apparently, only a few Christians have it or something. Obviously the author of the article does.

So glad I don't.

 

[Brighten04]

Meditate on it and God will give you your answer.

 

[psalms 91]

Lammchen, I don't think you'll ever "get it". Nor I. You see, one needs that "special understanding" that only a select few have, twisting their minds around in what is normally called cognitive dissonance, but in their reality is "spiritual enlightenment". If one really wants to force a square peg through a round hole, so to speak, one does need this special ability. Apparently, only a few Christians have it or something. Obviously the author of the article does.

So glad I don't.

And never will I think. You deny spiritual and call it foolishness, I believe that the Word said something about that, I think it was Paul. It takes spiritual to understand spiritual and it will be foolishness to the natural man

 

[Full O Beans]

And never will I think. You deny spiritual and call it foolishness, I believe that the Word said something about that, I think it was Paul. It takes spiritual to understand spiritual and it will be foolishness to the natural man

Yes, you are so right that is scriptural, and therefore the truth, and we are seeing it regularly these days.

1 Corinthians 2:14-16
But people who aren’t spiritual can’t receive these truths from God’s Spirit. It all sounds foolish to them and they can’t understand it, for only those who are spiritual can understand what the Spirit means. 15 Those who are spiritual can evaluate all things, but they themselves cannot be evaluated by others. 16 For,

“Who can know the Lord’s thoughts?
Who knows enough to teach him?”

But we understand these things, for we have the mind of Christ.

 

[Stravinsk]

And never will I think. You deny spiritual and call it foolishness, I believe that the Word said something about that, I think it was Paul. It takes spiritual to understand spiritual and it will be foolishness to the natural man

No, I call foolishness foolishness and that is what I think of the article.

As for Shaul/Paul - maybe it's been missed, but I don't give weight to his writings as inspired.

If you are at all curious, though. Have a look at the name SAUL in Hebrew, specifically the Hebrew that was in use in the first century and before. It had no vowel indicators - diacritics - and just for a grand bit of mystery...

It is the EXACT same word used for HELL, GRAVE AND PIT - and that word is.....

wait for it.....

Sheol. Sheol and Saul have the exact same Hebrew spelling. Exact. The only difference they have in MODERN Hebrew is the addition of diacritics. Anyway...Sheol...

You know, the one that Jonah cried to be taken OUT of?

I'm not fibbing, friend. Just investigate it.

So no, it's just one reason I don't take Saul/Paul's words to be any kind of authority.

 

[Alithis]

Because she is speaking spiritually and you are thinking physical so you are missing her point.Even the article is speaking spiritually. And no matter how many times this point is made, if you do not engage the Holy Spirit you will not understand her reply.

Oh..ok .

 

[Lamb]

The bible is filled with paradoxes.

God knows that we've sinned even when it's "forgotten" because He's still God.

 

[Full O Beans]

The bible is filled with paradoxes.

God knows that we've sinned even when it's "forgotten" because He's still God.

Yet when we come to Him in repentance, all our sin is wiped out and God never reminds us of it. No longer does our sin interfere with our salvation, praise God!

Micah 7:18-19
Where is another God like you,
who pardons the guilt of the remnant,
overlooking the sins of his special people?
You will not stay angry with your people forever,
because you delight in showing unfailing love.
19 Once again you will have compassion on us.
You will trample our sins under your feet
and throw them into the depths of the ocean!

Hebrews 8:12
And I will forgive their wickedness,
and I will never again remember their sins.”

Hebrews 10:17
Then he says,

“I will never again remember
their sins and lawless deeds.”

 

[Brighten04]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yFSNQyTnPmM

 

[Brighten04]

Here is another one

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vYcx7Bp0IO0

 

[Full O Beans]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yFSNQyTnPmM

Ohhh, perfect. One of my favourites, and I weep every time I hear it. Thank you!

 

[Ruth]

Being a virgin again doesn't matter to me. Maybe at one time in my life it did but not at this point. I don't feel I've done anything wrong by having natural needs and desires.