Terminal illness and ending life

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Should people with a terminal illness have the choice to end their own lives?

As a Christian I say no since that should be up to God. But I've seen some people suffering horribly and in the back of my mind I wonder if it would have been better for them to have that choice?
 

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I really dont know the answer to that but I think it would be a quick step to ending life for elderly as well.
 

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I say no also but we are not them. We don't know how they feel. I mean I deal with pain EVERYDAY and sometimes I want to end it but I don't cause I don't want to go to hell. But on the other hand, lets take my mom who is a non believer and has cancer (in remission) but God FORBID she was to be terminal and wanted to die it would be HER choice and no one else. Even if the doctors don't help the people "kill" themselves they will find a way to do it if they really want to if they are in that much pain.
 

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I have been around many people in their dying days. I have watched people go through many changes reflecting back on their lives and looking forward to what is in the next life. Do they want to die and "get it over" or say that they are ready? Yes they do. Yet each one teaches me many things about life and death as well as teach their families and those around them. If someone is terminal, get them in a good hospice care situation. Good hospice care is wonderful in helping the dying and their families.
 

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I to have been around death and yes there can be many things learned from the dying. I just hope that when my time comes it happens quickly
 

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I to have been around death and yes there can be many things learned from the dying. I just hope that when my time comes it happens quickly
I agree that I hope I die in peace and I don't suffer.

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I have been around many people in their dying days. I have watched people go through many changes reflecting back on their lives and looking forward to what is in the next life. Do they want to die and "get it over" or say that they are ready? Yes they do. Yet each one teaches me many things about life and death as well as teach their families and those around them. If someone is terminal, get them in a good hospice care situation. Good hospice care is wonderful in helping the dying and their families.

Hospice has always been wonderful to our family members! I can't boast enough about them.
 

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Yes, they are very caring and make a real connection with the people they take care of
 

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Both hospice and palliative care are certainly the best alternatives. I used to work in long term care as a nurse, and there are a lot of ethical issues even in end-of-life care. One of the things I struggled the most with is that people who are able bodied and have access to the means, have the right to attempt or commit suicide, but those who do not have access to means or are unable to physically carry out the act, do not have that same right. Iow, it has to be done while they are still able bodied rather than live to the last moment of perceived quality of life before they make that choice. Imo, they should have the same "rights" as those who are able-boded and have access.

The hard part about that opinion is that I am a Christian and believe that God himself has numbered my days. Who am I to rob God of his plans for my life and my death? Still, if it came down to unbearable suffering, perhaps I would consider it, but the truth is, we do not live in a world where we are all Christians and value life in the same way that God does. Even God himself gives sinners over to their sin, so who are we Christians to deprive "sinners" of the right to take their own life?

That said, though, I think now that the right to die law has been passed in Canada, there should be very strict policies about who actually qualifies, and that strictness should never change as it did in Belgium, where even a healthy person with a mental illness is allowed to have a physician-assisted suicide.
 

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Who am I to rob God of his plans for my life and my death?

I love this statement. :thumbsup:

Even in our suffering we can be a light to others. I've seen it happen with dying relatives and it humbled me that their faith was so strong even though they wished to die.
 

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I agree, there can be a powerful witness for God in it
 

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I have spent many years in healthcare, with some being specifically in end of life care. This experience has led me to believe, there is a time and place, when someone should be able to make that call, if a patient is suffering and can not be made comfortable.
 

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My problem it opens the door for other things
 

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No, I don't think so. I simply don't think it is the person's right to take their own life. Though I can imagine it might be tempting to consider if you are in a lot of pain.
 

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Once it is ope3ned there will be no closing it and who knows where it will end
 

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This is a hard question to answer. When someone is terminal with a horrible life they are usually also depressed. Not always but often. I have never been in their shoes so I don't know exactly how they feel. My mom was terminal and didn't want to end her life in hospice or she never expressed that. I guess I think it is up to the person suffering if they choose to live or die.
 

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Hospice can come to the home to give care! That's one of the things I love about them.
 

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Yes, they are a great help when someone is faced with that
 

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Hospice is when end of life takes place in a hospital like setting - it's a staffed nursing facility. When they come to your home, it's called palliative care. It's good there are so many options for how to live your final months, weeks and days, but we rarely give much thought to how to die.

Bill, I think you're right about it opening the door for other things, and this has been the case in one country in particular, where even able-bodied people with mental illness can request physician-assisted suicide. I think there needs to be very strict policies in place about who qualifies, and at what stage of their illness. Even that may not be enough though, so it will become necessary to maybe shift focus to the physician's experience. Evidently, in Netherlands, physicians who assist their patients to die will often require time off from work, and receive counselling as well. I think it will be very important to be sensitive to physician needs, and physicians should have the choice to opt-out if it goes against their own personal morality or faith.

One thing to remember, too, is that if Netherlands is indicative of what might happen here, there is hope. There, the service must be requested by the patient on more than one occasion, spaced a certain amount of time apart, they must receive counselling to make sure they are of sound mind, etc. Iow, there is a long process that must happen and involve numerous people, from family to professionals. All must be in agreement. So very few people request it, and very few of those actually carry it out. I do not recall the statistics, but the percentages are marginal. Hopefully that will be the case in Canada, too, but at least the option will be there for those whose suffering is unbearable.
 
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