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I heard something puzzling about the RCC so I thought I would ask here if it is true.I heard a story about a woman who was not RCC but her grandmother was. Well, the grandmother died and the mother wanted the grand daughter to read a scripture from the Bible at the funeral. When she spoke to the priest about what she was going to read, which was from John 14, the priest told her he could not allow her to read from the Gospel of John because only the priests could read the Gospels. Is this true? I don't have any reason to believe this person was telling a lie, it is just so foreign to me that only the priests are allowed to read the gospels. Can anyone varify this for me?
 

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I heard something puzzling about the RCC so I thought I would ask here if it is true.I heard a story about a woman who was not RCC but her grandmother was. Well, the grandmother died and the mother wanted the grand daughter to read a scripture from the Bible at the funeral. When she spoke to the priest about what she was going to read, which was from John 14, the priest told her he could not allow her to read from the Gospel of John because only the priests could read the Gospels. Is this true? I don't have any reason to believe this person was telling a lie, it is just so foreign to me that only the priests are allowed to read the gospels. Can anyone varify this for me?


"Praxis" (practice) is the issue of CUSTOM - what is customarily done, what PRACTICE is seen as "customary" and perhaps even best. In liturgical churches, it is common and traditional for the Gospel reading to be done by the officiant (typically, one ordained) - although the OT, Psalm and Epistle may be read by a lay person (male or female) - and now typically that's the case. Some Catholic will need to weigh in on this, but MY understanding from my former Catholic days is that there is no LAW about this (and the priest COULD have permitted a lay person) BUT there is a pretty solid, historic, traditional CUSTOM here that (I suspect) the priest desired to incorporate.

I might add..... with all due respect.... when one is a GUEST in a church, it is respectful to abide by the customs and practices of THAT denomination (parish, etc.) - and not take offense. When I'm a GUEST in someone's home, I abide by the customs and practices of that home - with respect (I was just raised that way)... I may not exactly APPROVE but then it's not my house and that's typically irrelevant. When smokers come to my home, I would find it disrespectful for them to smoke (especially without asking) and if they did ask and I indicated my lack of approval, I'd desire they not be offended or angry but simply respect the customs of MY house to which they are a GUEST - as I will and do in THEIR home.

Work and life sometimes takes me away on weekends. I've offen attended a Catholic church on Sunday... but since I'm no longer Catholic, I don't receive the Sacrament. This is simply because (while a lot of Catholics don't know this), as a Lutheran, I'm not welcomed and I'm not permitted to so commune - so I come for a blessing (being a formal Catholic, I know how that's done). I think I SHOULD be welcomed - but what I think and feel while a GUEST of a Catholic church is IRRELEVANT, I'm a GUEST and should either RESPECT (without negative emotion) THEIR customs or just not attend there. It would be RUDE to knowingly violate their praxis.... and absurd for me to feel badly since I CHOSE to be a GUEST there. Now, that's the only thing.... I do the "Sign," I'm fine with the knelling and stuff, I participate in the liturgy because I'm okay with that AND the RCC is okay with that from a Lutheran.

So.... when one is a GUEST of a Catholic church for a funeral, we need to RESPECT (without negative emotions) THEIR customs.... or simply don't attend.

Make sense?



Pax


A blessed New Year to all....


- Josiah




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I am sorry Josiah if I gave the impression that the lady was offended. She was not. She read from one of the epistles of Paul, I think she said it was 1 Corinthians. She did graciously abide by the rule, just thought it odd. I might add this too. I have personally never, ever, been to a Roman Catholic Church.Not for a funeral, not for a wedding or anything.So there is no need to scold me with your all caps screams.
 
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I am sorry Josiah if I gave the impression that the lady was offended. She was not. She read from one of the epistles of Paul, I think she said it was 1 Corinthians. She did graciously abide by the rule, just thought it odd. I might add this too. I have personally never, ever, been to a Roman Catholic Church.Not for a funeral, not for a wedding or anything.So there is no need to scold me with your all caps screams.

Friend, there was NO "scolding" of ANYONE for ANYTHING.... by me or anyone else in this thread. And I never stated anyone WAS offended by anything or anyone, only that they should not be when they are a guest.

A situation was presented. I responded with my view exactly as requested.

I'm sorry of my opinion doesn't make sense to you (hey, I tried to be articulate) but that's okay.


Pax


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As Josiah said the ordained read from the Gospel and that is because they stand in the stead of Christ.

Josiah likes to cap things for emphasis. He doesn't bite lol
 

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As Josiah said the ordained read from the Gospel and that is because they stand in the stead of Christ.

Josiah likes to cap things for emphasis. He doesn't bite lol

I just wanted clarification that this was indeed a practice of the RCC. I wasn't looking for a dissertation on how to behave as a guest. His point was made in the first paragraph. But I got two additional ones on manners. I am not worried about him biting. LOL. I can bite back.
 

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Speaking as an Old Catholic Priest, I would not have had a problem with a lay person reading a gospel scripture even if it had been a funeral Mass.
 

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Speaking as an Old Catholic Priest, I would not have had a problem with a lay person reading a gospel scripture even if it had been a funeral Mass.

Your icon now shows other church. Do you think your current beliefs had been infiltrating when you were a priest for you to allow that since it's very unusual?
 

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Speaking as an Old Catholic Priest

I'm confused....

"Old Catholic Priest...." And your bio here says your occupation is "Priest."

Are you a Catholic Priest who is "old?" Or do you mean a FORMER Catholic priest? Or..... ?




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Your icon now shows other church. Do you think your current beliefs had been infiltrating when you were a priest for you to allow that since it's very unusual?

Your list of churches does not include the Utrecht union. We are not Roman Catholics.
 

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Your list of churches does not include the Utrecht union. We are not Roman Catholics.

I see. I thought you meant you were RC at one time since that's what the OP was asking about :)
 

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yeah ... well as usual rome places in rules of practice which have ZERO biblical foundation . just more carnel control mechanisms .
 

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I see. I thought you meant you were RC at one time since that's what the OP was asking about :)

It's Catholic (sort of). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Union_of_Utrecht_(Old_Catholic) It's called "old Catholic" because there's a REJECTION of Papal Infallibility as dogma (1870). In reality, they tend to simply be liberal Catholics (often sharing more in common with liberal Anglicanism than with Catholicisim). These Catholics can't be Orthodox not only because of their liberalism but because they accept as Dogma a lot of things in discord with the EOC but they can't be Catholic either because they denounce that what the Catholic Church says is truth is truth (sometimes).

We seem to now have a sort of Catholic priest in our midst..... Not ROMAN Catholic, however. I hope he becomes active here!


BTW, Catholicism is FAR, FAR from the "united" thing some Catholics like to pretend. At another site posts a priest from the Polish National Church - also "Catholic" he stresses (with a capitol C) but in disagreement with the Catholic Church.



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I thought the word "Catholic" meant universal.
 

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It dioes but they do not apply it that way, it is decieving
 

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I thought the word "Catholic" meant universal.

The word "catholic" does. With a little "c" it's still the adjective (it's only use until after the 4th Century). But in time, it came to be a proper noun - referring to part of the Roman Church and then specifically the Catholic Denomination. Even then "Catholic" can be diverse since the CATHOLIC CHURCH is by no means monolithic (The Polish National Church and Old Catholic are just two examples of Catholic but not really Catholic, lol).

Yes, ALL Christians are catholic..... as we confess in the creed, we are "one, holy, catholic communion of saints." Brothers and sisters in Christ, members of God's household (oikos). Of course, Christians aren't a denomination (any denomination!) - never have been, never will be, cannot be.


My "take"


Pax


- Josiah




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The word "catholic" does. With a little "c" it's still the adjective (it's only use until after the 4th Century). But in time, it came to be a proper noun - referring to part of the Roman Church and then specifically the Catholic Denomination. Even then "Catholic" can be diverse since the CATHOLIC CHURCH is by no means monolithic (The Polish National Church and Old Catholic are just two examples of Catholic but not really Catholic, lol).

Yes, ALL Christians are catholic..... as we confess in the creed, we are "one, holy, catholic communion of saints." Brothers and sisters in Christ, members of God's household (oikos). Of course, Christians aren't a denomination (any denomination!) - never have been, never will be, cannot be.


My "take"


Pax


- Josiah




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its a good take on it
 
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