USA Should the USA have an amical split?

[Lamb]

Does it seem as if the USA is split into two very different kinds of people? The Left and Right are at odd at almost everything and you see that when one President is in office, he reverts all the things the previous President did and the President after him will do the same thing if it's the other party.

I have friends on Facebook who keep saying that if I'm not on their side that we can't be friends.

We see people in uproar over legal policies and not respecting the law on one side and the other side wanting to enforce the law.

What if the country could be split into two countries? Which side would thrive and which would fail due to their own policies?

 

[Frankj]

The division of the country into opposing elements (meaning a fundamental difference in where we should go, not a division in who and not just who is in charge of things as we do) began under Clinton with his 'majority of minorities' in place of a majority of Americans, continued to grow under Bush and was made irreconcilable under Obama (that fundamental change thing of his).

We are currently in that Liberty Valance "when two men go up tp face each other, only one returns" with the law books having failed and both sides believing the other is Liberty.

This has been done deliberately and with plan, but not necessarily by those who seem to be the players in the game but who are really just pieces on the board who are moved around by much, much more powerful forces that are the real players, hidden from sight so they can operate with impunity.

A house divided against itself cannot stand, and we are a house divided.

For several decades I've been saying I expect our end to come around 2030 and I've seen nothing to change my mind although at my age I doubt being around then to ever know if I was right or wrong.

What say you?

 

[psalms 91]

Lamb I agree

 

[The Jason]

Everything isn't black and white. I can see good and bad points on both spectrums.

 

[jswauto]

Where would you draw the boundry lines between the Socialistic Regime (requires a fence to keep people in) and the Constitutional Republic (requires a fence to keep people out)?

COMPARISON TABLE: SOCIALISTIC REGIME VS. CONSTITUTIONAL REPUBLIC



Constitutional breach matrix (SOCIALISTIC REGIME)




Violation timeline (centralized control → compounded breach)
Phase 1: Economic centralization
• Mechanic: State/collective ownership of major industries and resources; central planning of production and distribution.
• Effect: Citizens become dependent on the state for jobs, food, housing, and healthcare.
• Violation seeds: Erosion of property rights, economic coercion, and leverage over conscience.
Phase 2: Political consolidation
• Mechanic: One‑party dominance, suppression of opposition, control of media and public narrative.
• Effect: Dissent is framed as anti‑state; loyalty to the regime becomes a survival strategy.
• Violation growth: Truth is managed, not discovered; fear replaces free conviction.
Phase 3: Ideological enforcement
• Mechanic: Education, arts, and public life are aligned with state ideology; alternative worldviews are marginalized or criminalized.
• Effect: Families, churches, and communities are pressured to conform or be punished.
• Violation spread: Conscience is invaded; worship and speech are no longer free.
Phase 4: Spiritual and moral suppression
• Mechanic: Restriction or control of religious practice; state becomes the ultimate authority.
• Effect: Idolatry of the state, persecution of dissenters, and normalization of injustice.
• Violation culmination: Systemic breaking of commandments related to God, truth, life, and neighbor.

Ten Commandments conflict overlay (regime vs. covenant)
Commandment 1 – “No other gods before Me”
• Conflict: The state becomes the highest loyalty; allegiance to God is treated as secondary or subversive.

Commandment 2 – “No graven images”
• Conflict: Cults of personality, party symbols, and ideological icons function as objects of veneration.

Commandment 3 – “Do not take the Lord’s name in vain”
• Conflict: Truth is manipulated; oaths, justice, and public claims are detached from real accountability before God.

Commandment 4 – “Remember the Sabbath”
• Conflict: Human worth is tied to productivity and compliance; rest, worship, and sacred time are subordinated to state demands.

Commandment 5 – “Honor your father and mother”
• Conflict: The state inserts itself between generations—redefining authority, family roles, and even parental rights.

Commandment 6 – “You shall not murder”
• Conflict: Regimes justify killing or allowing death (purges, famines, gulags, forced labor) in the name of progress or security.

Commandment 7 – “You shall not commit adultery”
• Conflict: Systems that cheapen covenant, commodify bodies, or weaponize sexuality undermine marital faithfulness and purity.

Commandment 8 – “You shall not steal”
• Conflict: Confiscation of property, forced collectivization, and unjust redistribution violate legitimate ownership.

Commandment 9 – “You shall not bear false witness”
• Conflict: Propaganda, show trials, false accusations, and rewritten history become tools of control.

Commandment 10 – “You shall not covet”
• Conflict: Envy is weaponized—class resentment and covetousness are stirred to justify taking from others.

Yes, this is what the democrats are bravely fighting for! It's what they call democracy!

 

[Ghost]

No, I think we should respect our Constitution which makes it very clear what Federal can/can't do and what States can/can't do. If we just followed the laws that already exist, we may find that one side is more American than the other, and it's probably the side trying to follow due process.

Therefor if there is a split, we should consider it more like The United States of America continuing to exist, and a certain party choosing to leave it rather than it being split.

The USA is more unified than ever, it's just there's a certain group that appears to want to ignore its laws and Constitution. If there were a true divide, both sides would be using the law and following it with their own agenda, but instead we just have a criminal regime. So this is why I say the USA is strong, we just have an organization that probably needs a RICO investigation sometime soon.

I guess what I am saying is similar to what others are thinking here, but I draw the line on saying we are divided. If an American decides to shoot up a school, is the town divided? If half the town supports the shooter, is the town divided? No, the town is unified against a murderer and their supporters.

Similarly, the United States is still united, and it is against a regime that frequently defies its own laws. Like the murderer analogy, the USA is against anti-USA rhetoric and the USA is against anti-USA regimes. The USA is strong against the Trump regime.

 

[Frankj]

No, I think we should respect our Constitution which makes it very clear what Federal can/can't do and what States can/can't do.

So what can they and can't they do?

According to the Constitution.

 

[Ghost]

So what can they and can't they do?

According to the Constitution.

Plenty of topics to dive into, too much to really dive into. But I think looking at what US Federal Judges have said vs what the Administration has falsely claimed is a good start, and the laws and what they say, and what our Constitution says.

For example, a man was murdered in cold blood the other day. They victim-blamed him because he legally was carrying a firearm that was illegally removed from him by ICE, simply because he was observing (ordered by a Federal Judge last week as not being illegal or a reason for ICE to approach/detain/arrest) and offering help to a victim.

This is just 1 small example in what is a list of 100s of crimes over 2025-26 already, let alone for 3 more years.

So to stick to 1 example, ICE cannot legally arrest someone for observing. They cannot arrest or detain if the person is not actively interfering. They cannot forcibly disarm an armed protester who is protected by 1A and 2A. But they did, and then they claimed this man is a domestic terrorist who was set on causing violence, all because he legally was wielding a firearm as a legal observer in a public space.

The idea that this is controversial is crazy, it's just our laws, not political, and pretty clear-cut and dry, but the administration and its cultish followers seem to think that ICE was justified even though every single step of the way, a law was broken by them, up until the point where they kill the illegally detained citizen.

Laws > politics, laws > emotions, and Constitution > cults.

All justice is served by the end, and with God watching, I can't judge anyone, I can only speak out and advise. I feel confident that I am on the right side of history, the right side of God, and sharing what should be easily agreeable as one of the most pro-USA statements: I support the first amendment right to freedom of speech, the right to bear arms, form a militia, and peacefully protest without interference from federal law enforcement. It's weird how controversial our founding principles are to those who wish to destroy them.

 

[Frankj]

You're expressing an opinion without actual reference of fact, and you haven't stated anything regarding what the Constitution allows to support knowing what you claim in your original opening statement, the one I quoted.

A question: Have you ever actually read the Constitution and not simply just relied on what someone might have said about it instead?

 

[jswauto]

Ironically, you knew I was going to have to say: ironically, ICE asked for one thing: assistance in picking up the rest of the illegal criminals. And if they didn't have to fight locals at every movement, they would have completed every action by now. Federal Laws override everything the state does.

 

[Maranatha]

Everything isn't black and white. I can see good and bad points on both spectrums.

Good points

Biblically speaking it is not about left or right, it is about light and darkness.

And this is the judgment: the light has come into the world, and people loved the darkness rather
than the light because their works were evil. 20For everyone who does wicked things hates the
light and does not come to the light, lest his works should be exposed. 21But whoever does what is
true comes to the light, so that it may be clearly seen that his works have been carried out in
God (John 3v19-21)

Romans 1v18 to the end is also relevant, Here are v21 to 25, ESV

21For although they knew God, they did not honor him as God or give thanks to him, but they
became futile in their thinking, and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22Claiming to be wise,
they became fools, 23and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images resembling mortal man
and birds and animals and creeping things.
24Therefore God gave them up in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, to the dishonoring of their
bodies among themselves, 25because they exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshiped and
served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever! Amen.

A real "turning point" in your history came through Gospel preaching,like
"Sinners in the Hands of an angry God" by Jonathan Edwards

But we now see a great Apostasy and therefore the world is falling deeper and deeper into darkness.

 

[Webster]

Short answer? Nope.
Long answer? Nope.