Ye are gods

[Can't think of a name]

"Why do you have a problem with me saying I am son of God when you are also a son of God like me?"

That is what Jesus said.

 

[BruceLeiter]

"Why do you have a problem with me saying I am son of God when you are also a son of God like me?"

That is what Jesus said.

Yes, he said that, but the title "son of God" is also used for men who were descended from Adam, who was made by God, as well as angels:

Gen_6:2 the sons of God saw that the daughters of man were attractive. And they took as their wives any they chose.
Gen_6:4 The Nephilim were on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of man and they bore children to them. These were the mighty men who were of old, the men of renown.
Deu_32:8 When the Most High gave to the nations their inheritance, when he divided mankind, he fixed the borders of the peoples according to the number of the sons of God.
Job_1:6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan also came among them.
Job_2:1 Again there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan also came among them to present himself before the LORD.
Job_38:7 when the morning stars sang together and all the sons of God shouted for joy?
Mat_5:9 “Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons of God.
Luk_20:36 for they cannot die anymore, because they are equal to angels and are sons of God, being sons of the resurrection.
Rom_8:14 For all who are led by the Spirit of God are sons of God.
Rom_8:19 For the creation waits with eager longing for the revealing of the sons of God.
Gal_3:26 for in Christ Jesus you are all sons of God, through faith.

 

[Can't think of a name]

Yes, he said that, but the title "son of God" is also used for men who were descended from Adam, who was made by God, as well as angels:

Gen_6:2 the sons of God saw that the daughters of man were attractive. And they took as their wives any they chose.
Gen_6:4 The Nephilim were on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of man and they bore children to them. These were the mighty men who were of old, the men of renown.
Deu_32:8 When the Most High gave to the nations their inheritance, when he divided mankind, he fixed the borders of the peoples according to the number of the sons of God.
Job_1:6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan also came among them.
Job_2:1 Again there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan also came among them to present himself before the LORD.
Job_38:7 when the morning stars sang together and all the sons of God shouted for joy?
Mat_5:9 “Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons of God.
Luk_20:36 for they cannot die anymore, because they are equal to angels and are sons of God, being sons of the resurrection.
Rom_8:14 For all who are led by the Spirit of God are sons of God.
Rom_8:19 For the creation waits with eager longing for the revealing of the sons of God.
Gal_3:26 for in Christ Jesus you are all sons of God, through faith.

Obviously, Jesus appealed to the Old Testament scriptures to condone his own usage of the words "son of God". That was the point of his argument. He equated his status as a son of God to the Pharisees' as being also sons of God like him. This is why Jesus is seen as dining with Pharisees and speaking face to face with them in a guest house and why he said to them, "The Kingdom of God is within you".

In other words, Jesus wanted people to know God like he did. This is why Jesus prayed. God does not pray to Himself.

If it is possible for you to explain God praying to Himself, I would like to know what that is and what that means. I can understand how a human can be in union with God but not how that human can be God and how there are intricacies of thought in that whole deal. Yet, why would Jesus tell other human beings that they can be one with God like he was if there exists an interpretation that says Jesus was God almighty that appears to refute that?

Irenaeus was the disciple of Polycarp who was the disciple of John who was the disciple of Jesus. Irenaeus said "God became man that man might become God". This is a 1st century apostle telling you that Jesus taught the idea of Theosis or deification. Certainly we can find this type of language in the Bible. But the problem is that Christians of very orthodox bent are making a trinity doctrine out of Jesus and they refuse to admit facts in historical theology and metaphysical realities by elevating Christ in ways he himself did not intend.

The Bible says that when the Jews heard that Jesus was making himself equal to God by calling himself the son of God and they picked up stones to stone him to death, this does not mean "The Jews understood Jesus made himself out to be God incarnate". Most people seem to miss that simple difference.

 

[Oseas]

IS NOT THE PERSON OF HOLY SPIRIT THE LAWFUL / LEGITIMATE YOUNGER BROTHER OF JESUS? LUKE 15:v.32

IS NOT THE PERSON OF HOLY SPIRIT THE LAWFUL / LEGITIMATE YOUNGER BROTHER OF JESUS? LUKE 15:v.32

IS NOT THE PERSON OF HOLY SPIRIT THE LAWFUL / LEGITIMATE YOUNGER BROTHER OF JESUS? LUKE 15:v.32 1John 5:v.7 There are three that bear record in heaven, the Father-The WORD- , the Word-The Word made flesh-JESUS- , and the Holy Spirit (who is not a ghost as is written in English language, but a...

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[Oseas]

The Word is GOD, GOD Himself, GOD the Father, Sel-executing, Self-executable. Our Lord JESUS said: All shall be taught of GOD-> John 6:44-45: -> 44 No man can come to me, except the Father(the Word) which hath sent me draw him(brings him): and I will raise Him up at the last Day.->(that is, at the seventh and last Day or seventh and last millennium-John 11:23-27, take a look) -> 45 It is written in the prophets,said JESUS, they shall be all taught of GOD. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me. - Aleluia! -
Genesis 1:26-27: ->26 GOD said,Let us make man in our image, after our likeness:...->27 So GOD created man in His own image,in the image of GOD created he him;
Psalms 82:6->I have said,Ye are gods;and all of you are children of the most High(John 1:12).
But GOD warned: Exodus 20: 3 - Thou shalt have no other gods before me. (For examples: Isaiah 9:15-16 combined with 2Corinthians 11:13-15, take a look).
There shall no strange god be in thee; neither shalt thou worship any strange god. I am the Lord thy GOD,...Psalms 81:9-10. --> So, Paul Apostle wrote to the Church of Rome, saying: Romans 1:21-25:

You are gods

The Word is GOD, GOD Himself, GOD the Father, Sel-executing, Self-executable. Our Lord JESUS said: All shall be taught of GOD-> John 6:44-45: -> 44 No man can come to me, except the Father(the Word) which hath sent me draw him(brings him): and I will raise Him up at the last Day.->(that is, at...

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[Oseas]

John 10:34-35
34 JESUS said: ... Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?
35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the Scripture cannot be broken;

Romans 8:18-19
18 For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.
19 For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of GOD.

HOW CAN THE MEEK INHERIT THE EARTH? | Friends Of Jesus

The LORD said: Matthew 5:v.5 combined with Revelation 5:v.10 Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth. Mat.5.v.5 And has made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign

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[Oseas]

Revelation 11:15:-> And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

SOME WILL FALL AWAY FROM THE FAITH

SOME WILL FALL AWAY FROM THE FAITH 1Timothy 4.1 "Some will fall away from the Faith." As it have been commented previously, no one knows his or her salvation until the Book of Life will be open. (Revelation 20.12.15, 21.27). But before it happens we rely only on our HOPE for our Salvation...

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[Oseas]

GET READY => The glory which shall be revealed-->IN US -> sons of GOD <=​

Luke 20:35-36:
35 But they which shall be accounted WORTHY to obtain that world(the next world->(Revelation 13:11-18 combined with Revelation 20:1-4) and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage:

36 Neither can they die any more->(HOW? 1Corinthians 15:51-55 combined with Philippians 3:20-21, this is not a magic, but a process->1Thessalonians 4:15-17, to meet the Lord in the air, it means, to meet Him in HIGH PLACES, inthe 3rd HEAVEN-2Corinthians 12:2-5, the GOD's Kingdom-Revelation 11:15-18 combined with Psalms 149, take a look):: for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of GOD,being the children of the resurrection.->(resurrection?->Colossians 3:1-7, and so on, take a look).


Brothers, the woman->(Revelation 12:1-2 and 5) is not Israel, by no manner of means. Ephesians 1:3-10 reveals: "3 Blessed be the GOD and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us (the Church of the Lord) with all spiritual blessings in HEAVENLY PLACES in Christ: -> And Revelation 12:3-4 reveal:->3 And there appeared another wonder in HEAVEN; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads. 4 And his TAIL(tail? Isaiah 9:14-16, take a look) drew the third part of the stars of heaven(stars?Daniel 12:3 combined with Matthew 24:24-25), and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon (dragon in heaven? Revelation 13:11 combined with Revelation 12:9) stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.


According to the Revelation 13:11 the dragon is a FALSE LAMB->(A FALSE MESSIAH):->->And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns LIKE A LAMB, and he spake as a dragon. ->Therefore, IT IS NOT THE WOMAN who is Israel, but the DRAGON->(in heaven=>Ephesians 6:12 combined with John 8:44):-> For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in HIGH PLACES.->(high places? Ephesians 1:3-10, and so on).->(the dragon is in high places? Oh yes, Job 1:6-10->Terrible. Terrible. Take a look)

Revelation 12:1-2 and 5:

1 And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun(the Greater Light-JESUS-Genesis 1:16, combined with John 12:46) and the moon under her feet(John 16:12-15), and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:(Daniel 12:3)

2 And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered.

5 And she brought forth a MAN CHILD,who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto GOD, and to His throne.->(GOD's throne? Psalms 97:1-2 and 89:14, take a look)


And what is the NAME of the MAN child?->Revelation 12:7-17 reveal:->7 And there was WAR in HEAVEN->(where the dragon is): MICHAEL and his angels(angels? Luke 20:35-36 combined with 1Corinthians 15:51-55) fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels (perilous times-2Timothy 3:1-5 combined with 1Timothy 4:1-2 and Matthew 24:10). Terrible. ->The War:->Revelation 16:13-15:-> Verse 15->Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame. -> Be prepared or else get ready -> Matthew 25:6 and 10.

8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.-

Revelation 19:11 - And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth Judge and make WAR->(WAR?-> Revelation 12:7 combined with Revelation 13:4 and 16:14).

May our Lord GOD bless us and keep us, and give us |His protection

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BEWARE BRETHREN IN CHRIST:

See my Thread about Jesus as Immanuel, GOD with us at this link...

Fleshy Thinking About Jesus as GOD

We are given Bible Scripture evidence revealing that Lord Jesus Christ is GOD The Son, and not just 'a God'. Jesus Christ is part of The GODHEAD of The Father, The Son, and The Holy Spirit. That is three Persons in The Godhead manifest as One. Thing is, the flesh cannot understand this, even...

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The flesh is not about to understand how Jesus of Nazareth is THE CHRIST, GOD THE SON, and as one of the 3 Persons in The GODHEAD of God The Father, God The Son, and God The Holy Spirit. Jesus of Nazareth as God having come in the flesh must be revealed instead to us by The Father to our spirit.

 

[BruceLeiter]

Obviously, Jesus appealed to the Old Testament scriptures to condone his own usage of the words "son of God". That was the point of his argument. He equated his status as a son of God to the Pharisees' as being also sons of God like him. This is why Jesus is seen as dining with Pharisees and speaking face to face with them in a guest house and why he said to them, "The Kingdom of God is within you".

In other words, Jesus wanted people to know God like he did. This is why Jesus prayed. God does not pray to Himself.

If it is possible for you to explain God praying to Himself, I would like to know what that is and what that means. I can understand how a human can be in union with God but not how that human can be God and how there are intricacies of thought in that whole deal. Yet, why would Jesus tell other human beings that they can be one with God like he was if there exists an interpretation that says Jesus was God almighty that appears to refute that?

Irenaeus was the disciple of Polycarp who was the disciple of John who was the disciple of Jesus. Irenaeus said "God became man that man might become God". This is a 1st century apostle telling you that Jesus taught the idea of Theosis or deification. Certainly we can find this type of language in the Bible. But the problem is that Christians of very orthodox bent are making a trinity doctrine out of Jesus and they refuse to admit facts in historical theology and metaphysical realities by elevating Christ in ways he himself did not intend.

The Bible says that when the Jews heard that Jesus was making himself equal to God by calling himself the son of God and they picked up stones to stone him to death, this does not mean "The Jews understood Jesus made himself out to be God incarnate". Most people seem to miss that simple difference.

So, @Can't think of a name, who do you think Jesus was, a mere man or God? I think he was both. He was fully human and fully God. John said it this way:

Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Joh 1:2 He was in the beginning with God.
Joh 1:3 All things were made through him, and without him was not anything made that was made.

The Father and the Person who became a man when he took on human flesh are two Persons but one God, an unfathomable Mystery. He was fully human so that he could die in our place for our forgiveness and fully divine so that he rise from the dead to give us new life.

 

[SetFree]

So, @Can't think of a name, who do you think Jesus was, a mere man or God? I think he was both. He was fully human and fully God. John said it this way:

Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Joh 1:2 He was in the beginning with God.
Joh 1:3 All things were made through him, and without him was not anything made that was made.

The Father and the Person who became a man when he took on human flesh are two Persons but one God, an unfathomable Mystery. He was fully human so that he could die in our place for our forgiveness and fully divine so that he rise from the dead to give us new life.

You're on the right track.

Some simply speak out without knowledge, before they've actually found out for themselves what God's Word actually teaches. I see brethren all the time who think... they are right... pushing men's doctrines they have simply heard taught to them without their checking it out in God's Word for themselves. Many of those just don't like to be corrected, but not to worry, because a lot of times a rebuke and a correction can lead them into God's Word for themselves.

The "sons of God" phrase refers to the heavenly state, and in our case, i.e., Christ's Church, we are referred to as "sons of God" through our Faith on Lord Jesus Christ (1 John 3). But before Christ came in the flesh as Jesus, that "sons of God" phrase referred to the heavenly state of the angels. Yet Lord Jesus, before His birth in the flesh, during, and after, has always been The Son of God, a specific Office that not us nor the angels can claim.

 

[Frankj]

You're on the right track.

Some simply speak out without knowledge, before they've actually found out for themselves what God's Word actually teaches. I see brethren all the time who think... they are right... pushing men's doctrines they have simply heard taught to them without their checking it out in God's Word for themselves. Many of those just don't like to be corrected, but not to worry, because a lot of times a rebuke and a correction can lead them into God's Word for themselves.

The "sons of God" phrase refers to the heavenly state, and in our case, i.e., Christ's Church, we are referred to as "sons of God" through our Faith on Lord Jesus Christ (1 John 3). But before Christ came in the flesh as Jesus, that "sons of God" phrase referred to the heavenly state of the angels. Yet Lord Jesus, before His birth in the flesh, during, and after, has always been The Son of God, a specific Office that not us nor the angels can claim.

But what does 'sons of God' actually mean?

In the days those (New Testament words were written there was a distinct difference there was a distinct and easily seen difference between the Christians and how they lived and the world around them but today there is none.

 

[SetFree]

But what does 'sons of God' actually mean?

In the days those (New Testament words were written there was a distinct difference there was a distinct and easily seen difference between the Christians and how they lived and the world around them but today there is none.

It's like I said, which is what God's Word shows, that "sons of God" phrase is a pointer to the heavenly state. Don't listen to men's traditions, read your Bible...

1 John 3:1-2
3 Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew Him not.

2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when He shall appear, we shall be like Him; for we shall see Him as He is.
KJV

Those of Faith are now called... "the sons of God". In the simplest sense, it means God's children. Yet it also refers to the heavenly body state, because Apostle John in verse 2 above is revealing how when Lord Jesus does return, we will see Jesus in His heavenly body as He really is, and we also will have a heavenly body like His. Recall the change at the twinkling of an eye that is to happen on the "last trump" per Apostle Paul in 1 Cor.15.

Likewise, that "sons of God" phrase is used in The Old Testament only about the angels. Why? It's because the angels are in the heavenly state (See Job 1 & 2, and Genesis 6). Those who try to confuse this issue appear to point to those who reject that the "sons of God", or a group of Satan's angels, left their heavenly state, came to earth, and mated with the flesh daughters of Adam to produce the giant-hybrid race shown in God's Word.

Matt 22:29-32
29 Jesus answered and said unto them, "Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God.
30 For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.
31 But as touching the resurrection of the dead, have ye not read that which was spoken unto you by God, saying,
32 I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob? God is not the God of the dead, but of the living."
KJV

That "... as the angels of God in heaven" is Jesus simply pointing to the heavenly body state. Per Apostle Paul in 1 Corinthians 15, the type body of the resurrection of the world to come is a "spiritual body". And here is more of that which Paul taught that many struggle with - in 2 Corinthians 5, Apostle Paul taught that already, we have a 'spirit' body that is eternal in the heavens that dwells inside our flesh body. When our flesh body dies, our other body, our 'spirit' body is loosed, and goes back to The Father Who gave it to us (See Ecclesiastes 12:5-7).

 

[Frankj]

It's like I said, which is what God's Word shows, that "sons of God" phrase is a pointer to the heavenly state. Don't listen to men's traditions, read your Bible...

1 John 3:1-2
3 Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew Him not.

2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when He shall appear, we shall be like Him; for we shall see Him as He is.
KJV

Those of Faith are now called... "the sons of God". In the simplest sense, it means God's children. Yet it also refers to the heavenly body state, because Apostle John in verse 2 above is revealing how when Lord Jesus does return, we will see Jesus in His heavenly body as He really is, and we also will have a heavenly body like His. Recall the change at the twinkling of an eye that is to happen on the "last trump" per Apostle Paul in 1 Cor.15.

Likewise, that "sons of God" phrase is used in The Old Testament only about the angels. Why? It's because the angels are in the heavenly state (See Job 1 & 2, and Genesis 6). Those who try to confuse this issue appear to point to those who reject that the "sons of God", or a group of Satan's angels, left their heavenly state, came to earth, and mated with the flesh daughters of Adam to produce the giant-hybrid race shown in God's Word.

Matt 22:29-32
29 Jesus answered and said unto them, "Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God.
30 For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.
31 But as touching the resurrection of the dead, have ye not read that which was spoken unto you by God, saying,
32 I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob? God is not the God of the dead, but of the living."
KJV

That "... as the angels of God in heaven" is Jesus simply pointing to the heavenly body state. Per Apostle Paul in 1 Corinthians 15, the type body of the resurrection of the world to come is a "spiritual body". And here is more of that which Paul taught that many struggle with - in 2 Corinthians 5, Apostle Paul taught that already, we have a 'spirit' body that is eternal in the heavens that dwells inside our flesh body. When our flesh body dies, our other body, our 'spirit' body is loosed, and goes back to The Father Who gave it to us (See Ecclesiastes 12:5-7).

Ecclesiastes indicates all spirits return to God, not simply that some of them do.

Is this what you are intending to say? That the spiritual part of men returns to God and only that part and that makes all men the sons of God?

 

[SetFree]

Ecclesiastes indicates all spirits return to God, not simply that some of them do.

Is this what you are intending to say? That the spiritual part of men returns to God and only that part and that makes all men the sons of God?

I'm not referring to men's doctrines on the use of word like "spiritual". Hebrews 4:12 showed us that God created us with a 'spirit'. And that is the type body Apostle Paul pointed to in 1 Corinthians 15 and 2 Corinthians 5 that Paul said we also have IF... our flesh body were suddenly dissolved.

So... do you believe those Scriptures that I point to above as written? or not. And if not, then why not?

 

[Frankj]

I'm not referring to men's doctrines on the use of word like "spiritual". Hebrews 4:12 showed us that God created us with a 'spirit'. And that is the type body Apostle Paul pointed to in 1 Corinthians 15 and 2 Corinthians 5 that Paul said we also have IF... our flesh body were suddenly dissolved.

So... do you believe those Scriptures that I point to above as written? or not. And if not, then why not?

I don't believe or disbelieve, I'm asking if you mean that your interpretation is right and everyone that has a different one is wrong?

Are you among those that say 'Yes that is what scripture says but you have to come to me and only me to find out what it really means"?

By discounting any other interpretation of the scriptures you say you understand perfectly you sound like you're heading that way to me.

 

[SetFree]

I don't believe or disbelieve, I'm asking if you mean that your interpretation is right and everyone that has a different one is wrong?

Then you might want to pray to The Father about it in the Name of Jesus Christ, because only God can show you these things so that you will know the 'right' interpretation, like Peter's example. Or... you can continue to doubt everybody including God's written Word; your choice.

 

[SetFree]

By discounting any other interpretation of the scriptures you say you understand perfectly you sound like you're heading that way to me.

James 1:5-8
5 If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, That giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him.

6 But let him ask in faith, nothing wavering. For he that wavereth is like a wave of the sea driven with the wind and tossed.

7 For let not that man think that he shall receive any thing of the Lord.

8 A double minded man is unstable in all his ways.
KJV

 

[Frankj]

Then you might want to pray to The Father about it in the Name of Jesus Christ, because only God can show you these things so that you will know the 'right' interpretation, like Peter's example. Or... you can continue to doubt everybody including God's written Word; your choice.

And if he shows me different things than he shows you?

Does that mean that I am the one who is right and you are wrong?

Or might it simply be like that proverbial examination of the elephant with each of those touching a different part of it and believing something different about what it is like than the others believe. All of them are both right and wrong at the same time as none of them is able to touch the whole elephant and their understanding of it is limited to only that small part they can touch.

 

[SetFree]

And if he shows me different things than he shows you?

God's Word will ALWAYS... agree with itself.

So if what you are shown DISAGREES with God's Word, then you are being approached by ANOTHER SPIRIT, and not by GOD. And how that can happen is by whom... one listens to and heeds. If you invite those who preach by 'another spirit', like the ones Apostle Paul pointed to in 2 Corinthians 11, then you set yourself up to be misled and deceived.

Does that mean that I am the one who is right and you are wrong?

Right now, your wrong attitude towards the matter reveals that you may not actually care about who is right or wrong, but that your real goal is just to create chaos here, which of course is from another spirit. If you were interested in the Truth, then you would do your best with relying on what the written Word of God says.