unrepentant sin is unforgiven sin (moved from Off Topic)

[popsthebuilder]

Could you be anymore cruder? You don't have to resort to vulgarity and be so disrespectful.

Evidently he must be crude as most seem to still not hear; refuting scripture with any means possible.

Who was John was a sinner because his physical body died?

Now I will be crude. You say all are sinners because the wages of sin is death and we all die. Then yo go on to say that all are saved by the grace of God. So in your view the saved are eternal here in this physical existence. But since no man is eternal then none are saved Christians. See the problem yet. You condemn yourself and everyone else with your nonsense.

Example;

All start to die once conceived. All. Every living thing of the material. Let's say a woman is in labor, there is a serious complication. Regardless of the will of the doctor or midwife the baby physically perished. So to yo the baby died because it was a sinner? Babies are innocent. God blessed them who leave this existence prior to sin or in innocence as they will never have to endure this worldly place.

I guess hat I am getting at is that the terms life and death do not mean physical material life and death in scripture.

All that is holy will return to GOD. All that is not will be cast into the fee and burned up, not having any type of existence, it will be dead. GOD is life.
Peace

Faith in selfless Unity for Good.

 

[Lamb]

He was out of line in his reference toward me and my husband. I have no desire to continue in this thread and I doubt too many others would want to deal with him and his behavior.

 

[Alithis]

it was not out of line to anything -it is a generic example and you well know it .
and i said it earlier in the thread using the term "spouse " so as to include male or female in either direction .

the POINT is .. your all being offended at the thought that if ones spouse came and said i was unfaithful to you but its ok im sorry i cant help it its an accident ands then they did it again and again.. it would be as some are saying.. they are implying it is OK to continue doing that to your husband or wife .. and they cry foul and say _(as you are all doing now by attacking the example ) that is is a crude example and NOT acceptable ..
well I AGREE ..it is a crude example and it is NOT ACCEPTABLE for a spouse to do such a thing .
BUT ..then all who are trying to disregard the scripture are then turning around and saying ..its not ok for my husband or wife to do that to me .. but it IS ok for every one (being the BRIDE OF CHRIST ) to do that to the LOrd JESUS ... ?????????????!!!!!!!!!!!! who are you kidding ? because im not fooled ,im not deceived by that . it IS NOT OK .thats why John says ..do not be DECEIVED

how two faced ,how insulting to the lord that that which you would NOT accept from your own spouse ..is ok, in your own words , for the church to do to God .. it is NEVER OK to continue in unfaithful wilful SIN against GOD .. never built NEVER - true repentance STOPS doing it .

THAT little children ,is the POINT and its taken a simplistic crude example for you to finally see it because you have absolutely REFUSED to admit what is plainly written in the scriptures .

NOt ONE of you has yet answered the questions i have posed becaseu you know i the sight of God there is only one answer ..YES it is TRUE .

here is the questions your refusing to face up to


before more accusatory questions and statements of mocking nature are asked ,attacking the poster instead of addressing the topic
answer this ...

is this paragraph true .. or not

see how very much our Father loves us, for he calls us his children, and that is what we are! But the people who belong to this world don’t recognize that we are God’s children because they don’t know him. Dear friends, we are already God’s children, but he has not yet shown us what we will be like when Christ appears. But we do know that we will be like him, for we will see him as he really is. And all who have this eager expectation will keep themselves pure, just as he is pure.
Everyone who sins is breaking God’s law, for all sin is contrary to the law of God. And you know that Jesus came to take away our sins, and there is no sin in him. Anyone who continues to live in him will not sin. But anyone who keeps on sinning does not know him or understand who he is.
Dear children, don’t let anyone deceive you about this: When people do what is right, it shows that they are righteous, even as Christ is righteous. But when people keep on sinning, it shows that they belong to the devil, who has been sinning since the beginning. But the Son of God came to destroy the works of the devil. Those who have been born into God’s family do not make a practice of sinning, because God’s life is in them. So they can’t keep on sinning, because they are children of God. So now we can tell who are children of God and who are children of the devil. Anyone who does not live righteously and does not love other believers does not belong to God....

is this true or not ?

For if, after they have escaped the defilements of the world through the knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and overcome, the last state has become worse for them than the first.---"

is this true or not .. ?

But now that you have come to know God, or rather to be known by God, how can you turn back again to the weak and worthless elementary principles of the world, whose slaves you want to be once more?

is this true or not ...
For if we go on sinning deliberately after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, but a fearful expectation of judgment, and a fury of fire that will consume the adversaries. Anyone who has set aside the law of Moses dies without mercy on the evidence of two or three witnesses. How much worse punishment, do you think, will be deserved by the one who has spurned the Son of God, and has profaned the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified, and has outraged the Spirit of grace?"

basicly is the scripture true or not? it is TRUE .. repent of following your own ways and turn to god ,turn from sin and accept the power (the Holy Spirit ) God gives us to be overcomers ..no longer slaves to sin.

stop being so childish as to misdirect the topic and attack a simple example to HIDE your error . Simply repent of it and receive the life of freedom God awaits to give you .
for whom we serve.. thats who is our master . we CAN NOT SERVE TWO MASTERS -the LOrd JEsus said so .

 

[Alithis]

1 john 3:6 -No one who abides in Him sins; no one who sins has seen Him or knows Him. Little children, make sure no one deceives you; the one who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous;…


yes that is what it says .. so if you continue in repeating the same action which you know to be sinful -you need to look seriously into your salvation with trembling . because the lord Jesus did not die on the cross to leave us as prisoners languishing in our sins and feigning repentance . he came to make us new , deliver us from sins power so that we are free to no longer sin . a christian life with out repentance is hypocrisy.

if you do not believe that the lord Jesus can and does give us full power over sin when you receive the Holy Spirit ..then your not believing makes you an unbeliever and you need to seriously look into your salvation with trembling because the unbeliever does not enter the Kingdom of God .

if you read the word of God but go your way and do not DO the word of God because the lord tells us to be doers of the word and not hearers only.

if you do not abide in the lord Jesus (in prayer and life and love and obedience ) then you cannot bring forth fruit . Fruit is souls saved ..fruit is not doing nice things . when the lord told Adam and eve in the natural realm to "be fruitful " he did not go around doing nice things for folks .. he meant Multiply ..
the same - when the lord Jesus tells us in the Spiritual to be Fruitful ..he did not mean go around doing nice little things ..he meant Multiply .. bear fruit .. and so prove you are my disciples the Lord Jesus said . if you're not bearing the fruit of souls saved .. your not bearing fruit . and a branch that does not bear fruit .. will
be cut off and gathered up and burned .

these things are spoken by the Lord Jesus and recorded for very good reason . the lord is coming and he will gather the wheat into his barn,, but the chaff he will gather and it will be cast into outer darkness forever .

"repentance for the forgivness of sins will be preached" - JESUS

attacks at the ones who carry this message will not excuse any one from the message of the Gospel ..it has never changed it brings life to those who OBEY IT

 

[Alithis]

just because you do not like the scriptures does not cancel them out -we don't get to pick and chose the truth we like and discard the rest .

 

[popsthebuilder]

it was not out of line to anything -it is a generic example and you well know it .
and i said it earlier in the thread using the term "spouse " so as to include male or female in either direction .

the POINT is .. your all being offended at the thought that if ones spouse came and said i was unfaithful to you but its ok im sorry i cant help it its an accident ands then they did it again and again.. it would be as some are saying.. they are implying it is OK to continue doing that to your husband or wife .. and they cry foul and say _(as you are all doing now by attacking the example ) that is is a crude example and NOT acceptable ..
well I AGREE ..it is a crude example and it is NOT ACCEPTABLE for a spouse to do such a thing .
BUT ..then all who are trying to disregard the scripture are then turning around and saying ..its not ok for my husband or wife to do that to me .. but it IS ok for every one (being the BRIDE OF CHRIST ) to do that to the LOrd JESUS ... ?????????????!!!!!!!!!!!! who are you kidding ? because im not fooled ,im not deceived by that . it IS NOT OK .thats why John says ..do not be DECEIVED

how two faced ,how insulting to the lord that that which you would NOT accept from your own spouse ..is ok, in your own words , for the church to do to God .. it is NEVER OK to continue in unfaithful wilful SIN against GOD .. never built NEVER - true repentance STOPS doing it .

THAT little children ,is the POINT and its taken a simplistic crude example for you to finally see it because you have absolutely REFUSED to admit what is plainly written in the scriptures .

NOt ONE of you has yet answered the questions i have posed becaseu you know i the sight of God there is only one answer ..YES it is TRUE .

here is the questions your refusing to face up to


before more accusatory questions and statements of mocking nature are asked ,attacking the poster instead of addressing the topic
answer this ...

is this paragraph true .. or not

see how very much our Father loves us, for he calls us his children, and that is what we are! But the people who belong to this world don’t recognize that we are God’s children because they don’t know him. Dear friends, we are already God’s children, but he has not yet shown us what we will be like when Christ appears. But we do know that we will be like him, for we will see him as he really is. And all who have this eager expectation will keep themselves pure, just as he is pure.
Everyone who sins is breaking God’s law, for all sin is contrary to the law of God. And you know that Jesus came to take away our sins, and there is no sin in him. Anyone who continues to live in him will not sin. But anyone who keeps on sinning does not know him or understand who he is.
Dear children, don’t let anyone deceive you about this: When people do what is right, it shows that they are righteous, even as Christ is righteous. But when people keep on sinning, it shows that they belong to the devil, who has been sinning since the beginning. But the Son of God came to destroy the works of the devil. Those who have been born into God’s family do not make a practice of sinning, because God’s life is in them. So they can’t keep on sinning, because they are children of God. So now we can tell who are children of God and who are children of the devil. Anyone who does not live righteously and does not love other believers does not belong to God....

is this true or not ?

For if, after they have escaped the defilements of the world through the knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and overcome, the last state has become worse for them than the first.---"

is this true or not .. ?

But now that you have come to know God, or rather to be known by God, how can you turn back again to the weak and worthless elementary principles of the world, whose slaves you want to be once more?

is this true or not ...
For if we go on sinning deliberately after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, but a fearful expectation of judgment, and a fury of fire that will consume the adversaries. Anyone who has set aside the law of Moses dies without mercy on the evidence of two or three witnesses. How much worse punishment, do you think, will be deserved by the one who has spurned the Son of God, and has profaned the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified, and has outraged the Spirit of grace?"

basicly is the scripture true or not? it is TRUE .. repent of following your own ways and turn to god ,turn from sin and accept the power (the Holy Spirit ) God gives us to be overcomers ..no longer slaves to sin.

stop being so childish as to misdirect the topic and attack a simple example to HIDE your error . Simply repent of it and receive the life of freedom God awaits to give you .
for whom we serve.. thats who is our master . we CAN NOT SERVE TWO MASTERS -the LOrd JEsus said so .

I attest that it is all utterly true. I know it to be true through experience, as any who have been saved, yet not wholly repented from all sin in regards to self or God's temple surely would.


with humility,
Peace


Faith in selfless Unity for Good.

 

[Alithis]

He was out of line in his reference toward me and my husband. I have no desire to continue in this thread and I doubt too many others would want to deal with him and his behavior.

i most immature response- i would expect more from you to be honest http://christianityhaven.com/showth...-sin-(moved-from-Off-Topic)&p=26682#post26682

 

[Romanos]

Enough of the flaming everyone. I'm closing this till we can cool down.