unrepentant sin is unforgiven sin (moved from Off Topic)

[psalms 91]

The truth is that we are all sinners and it is only Jesus and His righteousness that can ever be good enough so we are all deserving of hell but because of His sacrifice we can enter into His hope but it also says that we are to strive for the hgih calling and also thatwe move towards perfection. In other words we are to strive to be Christlike even though we are imperfect. If we continue to remain in sin then we do not love Him and are not His.

 

[Alithis]

Trying to be perfect in order to get into heaven denies Jesus and His death for you.

If you don't have faith that you will be taken to heaven based on Jesus then is that Christianity you are a part of or something else? No one I know can be perfect just like Josiah and Lambikens both say. You just keep on trying and your flaws will be pointed to you over and over. You keep making claims that people are saying stuff that they aren't and maybe if you went back and read their stuff instead if just becoming all defensive and thinking no one knows scripture but you then you might learn something about Jesus and the truth.

i have faith in Jesus.,such faith that i obey him not only hear him.be ye doers of the word and not hearers only. could you give a validation to what your saying other then using two other posters neither of whom have given any scripture to back up their opinions.

 

[Alithis]

With all due respect, IMO you have been (sort of) quoting the LAW while ignoring the Gospel.... but watering it down and applying it to all but you.

Matthew 5:48 is what JESUS said. You must be PERFECT. Are you (that's a "yes" or "no" question - not complicated)? IF not, then you don't keep the law - you are a sinner. Even now (as a Christian). Now, since you choose to ignore the Gospel - apply the condemnations you give to others to yourself. IMO, if you do: there is ONE and yes ONLY EXCLUSIVELY ONE appropriate response. To fall on your knees and cry, "Lord be MERCIFUL to ME, the sinner." And yes..... until you become PERFECT (in morality, love, service and obedience)..... HOLY exactly as much as God is..... until you prove Paul wrong who said "NO ONE is righteous, not NOT EVEN ONE".... until you trump Paul who declared that "I am the CHIEF OF SINNERS" .... until then, IMO, you are with all the rest of us (past and present; Christian or otherwise): SINNERS, who must fall to our knees and cry "Lord, have MERCY on me - the sinner."

When God brings you to your knees (by the Law), He then can lift you to heaven (by the Gospel). But you seem "stuck" with the first part.... in the same way as the Pharisees where in Jesus' day.

Protestants affirm that we are BOTH saints and sinners (fully - at the same time) and will remain so until we enter Heaven. Sinners because we sin. Saints because God has mercy on us and forgives us through the blood of the Lamb.



Pax


- Josiah

over and over you base what you say firstly on your opinion not on the word of God. then you erroneously misquote paul without going on to read the point he was making when he said the first part.we already covered that so you would do well to go and read all paul says and not only that piece.

then you claim that we are sinners as if we have no choice in the matter.but if we have no choice then christ died in vain and failed to set us free..
and you dont base it on scripture but on what you think protestants say.you need to choose what it is you believe man or Gods word. And stop building theology on your opinions.
if you continue to sin..why do you do so?to obey the lord jesus?that is impossible ..so why do you do it? if he is able to lift you to heaven he does so by freeing us from sin.if we then go back and keep going back and sinning..that is simply refusing to repent.and unrepentant sin ..is unforgiven sin. when i am told this i am fully untroubled and at peace with God as if everyone who has repented and now abides in christ being obedient to him.

 

[Josiah]

over and over you base what you say firstly on ypur opinion not on the word of God.

The WORD OF GOD says you must be PERFECT as God is perfect (Matthew 5:48, Lev. 20:26, etc.). Are you? (It's a simple 'yes' or 'no' question you constantly evade and ignore - I wonder why?)

The WORD OF GOD says NO ONE is righteous, not even on (Romans 3:12, etc). Are you personally the exemption that makes this verse wrong?

The WORD OF GOD says ALL have sinned (Romans 3:23, etc.) Do you prove Scrpture wrong since you don't?

Paul wrote that he is the CHIEF OF SINNERS (1 Timothy 1:15).... if Christians are sinless, is Paul stating he's the antithesis of a Christian? How is it you are sinless but St. Paul is the CHIEF OF SINNERS, according to the Word of God (rather than your opinion of yourself)?

then you claim that we are sinners

I've claimed nothing. The WORD OF GOD says it.

if we have no choice then christ died in vain

If we have no sin, we need no mercy, no grace, no Christ, no Blood, no Savior, no forgivenss.... you got you - perfect, holy, sinless you (in your opinion). You have that claim, that opinion - but it's not Scriptures'.




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[Alithis]

your taking single versus out of context again. read the letter not just the sentence. of course we are all sinners .we are even prisoners to sin..before Jesus sets us free. then we are set free. so the only reason a person sins after being set free is because they want to sin..
paul says he is the chief of sinners..but he speaks as one now saved from it ..not as one practicing sin.terrible sins he refers to in his life was persecuting the church...do you think he continued doing so after he was set free? of course not.stop twisting single verses to match your opinion. go and read the whole text . your message is self contradictory. one minute your jumping at me saying no jesus saves us.the next minute you're telling me we are all sinners and cant do anything about it..but that would mean jesus failed on the cross. repent of following sin to practice it and follow Jesus to practice righteousness.we cant do both at the same time.

 

[Lamb]

Law & Gospel. That's what is causing so many problems in this thread, those who won't let the Law be the Law and the Gospel be the Gospel.

 

[Alithis]

Law & Gospel. That's what is causing so many problems in this thread, those who won't let the Law be the Law and the Gospel be the Gospel.

i see no problems on this thread at all .. everything i have shared on it is from direct unambiguous scripture and i have not once mentions law nor even alluded to it in respect to abiding by it ,but only living in obedience to the lord Jesus as he himself has said those who truly love him will do so .-he cannot lie .

So -case in point

i have said

See how very much our Father loves us, for he calls us his children, and that is what we are! But the people who belong to this world don’t recognize that we are God’s children because they don’t know him. Dear friends, we are already God’s children, but he has not yet shown us what we will be like when Christ appears. But we do know that we will be like him, for we will see him as he really is. And all who have this eager expectation will keep themselves pure, just as he is pure.
Everyone who sins is breaking God’s law, for all sin is contrary to the law of God. And you know that Jesus came to take away our sins, and there is no sin in him. Anyone who continues to live in him will not sin. But anyone who keeps on sinning does not know him or understand who he is.
Dear children, don’t let anyone deceive you about this: When people do what is right, it shows that they are righteous, even as Christ is righteous. But when people keep on sinning, it shows that they belong to the devil, who has been sinning since the beginning. But the Son of God came to destroy the works of the devil. Those who have been born into God’s family do not make a practice of sinning, because God’s life is in them. So they can’t keep on sinning, because they are children of God. So now we can tell who are children of God and who are children of the devil. Anyone who does not live righteously and does not love other believers does not belong to God....

none of those are my own words - and they are a continuation of everything John was saying ..so if any one wished to persist in resisting those words and implying they are not true ,they will have to take it up with the Spirit of the Lord by whose inspiration John was speaking .

Peter ,speaking by the same spirit agrees saying
-"For if, after they have escaped the defilements of the world through the knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and overcome, the last state has become worse for them than the first.---"


in a serious warning to the churches the Spirit of God spoke through John also saying
-Remember, then, what you received and heard. Keep it, and repent. If you will not wake up, I will come like a thief, and you will not know at what hour I will come against you"
since it is the believers he spoke to how is it that he says if they do not repent he will come ..not for them.. but AGAINST them ?

To the galatians by the same Holy Spirit paul writes :
-But now that you have come to know God, or rather to be known by God, how can you turn back again to the weak and worthless elementary principles of the world, whose slaves you want to be once more?-reinforcing the point that once we are set free ,if we return to serving our former master of sin that it will become our master again .he says it more then one time also pointing out that "to whom you yield your body to as servants to obey ..his servant you are whom you obey .

and then Also gives this dire warning when by the Holy Spirit he writes -
"For if we go on sinning deliberately after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, but a fearful expectation of judgment, and a fury of fire that will consume the adversaries. Anyone who has set aside the law of Moses dies without mercy on the evidence of two or three witnesses. How much worse punishment, do you think, will be deserved by the one who has spurned the Son of God, and has profaned the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified, and has outraged the Spirit of grace?"

folks like to ignore that he is writing to the BELIEVING hebrews .. he is not writing to or of the lost .

so yet again the scripture is so very clear .. no one who professes faith in the Lord Jesus can continue to sin . if we do we show we are not yet free ,not yet born of God not yet repentant . i do not apologize for pointing out plain simple bible . for when we both HEAR and ACT upon the good news that, upon repentance -as God commands of us ,there is undeserved forgivness awaiting and a new life to abide in .. not come in and out of but ABIDE IN .. (for jesus said except we ABIDE in him we cannot bear fruit and if we do not bear fruit we will be cut off and cast into the fire which is never quenched .)

On every level the title of this thread and the info i have shared and preached according to the direct unambiguous word of God -stands unmoved.

unrepentant sin -is unforgiven sin - and the unrepentant are not saved by virtue of continued rebellion against the GOSPEL which commands us to -repent

 

[Alithis]

So if one message needs to be renewed in this day and age ..it is

-repentance of sin for the forgivness of sin.. is to be preached and repentance is not a singular event but a state being consistently turned TO God .

no where does the scripture by the holy Spirit excuse any from returning to sin once the have been set free from it ...and as i repeat.. if they feel they cannot stop.then it is simply evidence that they are not set free yet ... so must repent and get set free . Its what the lord JEsus came to do .

 

[Alithis]

the grace ..is in the truth that we are given oppurtunity to obey the command to repent and stop sinning.
God is under no obligation to give such mercy.

 

[popsthebuilder]

Law & Gospel. That's what is causing so many problems in this thread, those who won't let the Law be the Law and the Gospel be the Gospel.

What does that mean?

Don't they go together?

Faith in selfless Unity for Good.

 

[Alithis]

The WORD OF GOD says you must be PERFECT as God is perfect (Matthew 5:48, Lev. 20:26, etc.). Are you? (It's a simple 'yes' or 'no' question you constantly evade and ignore - I wonder why?)

The WORD OF GOD says NO ONE is righteous, not even on (Romans 3:12, etc). Are you personally the exemption that makes this verse wrong?

The WORD OF GOD says ALL have sinned (Romans 3:23, etc.) Do you prove Scrpture wrong since you don't?

Paul wrote that he is the CHIEF OF SINNERS (1 Timothy 1:15).... if Christians are sinless, is Paul stating he's the antithesis of a Christian? How is it you are sinless but St. Paul is the CHIEF OF SINNERS, according to the Word of God (rather than your opinion of yourself)?





I've claimed nothing. The WORD OF GOD says it.





If we have no sin, we need no mercy, no grace, no Christ, no Blood, no Savior, no forgivenss.... you got you - perfect, holy, sinless you (in your opinion). You have that claim, that opinion - but it's not Scriptures'.




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your taking single versus out of context again.and go read the letter not just the sentence. of course we are all sinners .we are even prisoners to sin..before Jesus sets us free. then we are set free. so the only reason a person sins after being set free is because they want to sin..they are in no way compelled to .
paul says he is the chief of sinners..but he speaks as one now saved from it ..not as one practicing sin.The terrible sins he refers to in his life was persecuting the church...do you think he continued doing so after he was set free? of course not.stop twisting single verses to match your opinion. go and read the whole text . your message is self contradictory. one minute your jumping at me saying no jesus saves us.the next minute you're telling me we are all sinners and cant do anything about it..but that would mean jesus failed on the cross. repent of following sin to practice it and follow Jesus to practice righteousness.we cant do both at the same time.

 

[TurtleHare]

the grace ..is in the truth that we are given oppurtunity to obey the command to repent and stop sinning.
God is under no obligation to give such mercy.

Give us a name of one person besides Christ. JUST ONE who has stopped sinning.

Go ahead. Where's such a person??

He doesn't exist! It defies what scriptures tell us. ONLY Jesus is perfect. ONLY Jesus (who is God) does not sin. Everyone single one of us falls short of the glory.

We are at the same time saint and sinner. It's scriptural.

So again, give us the name of just one man who no longer sins.

 

[Alithis]

Give us a name of one person besides Christ. JUST ONE who has stopped sinning.

Go ahead. Where's such a person??

He doesn't exist! It defies what scriptures tell us. ONLY Jesus is perfect. ONLY Jesus (who is God) does not sin. Everyone single one of us falls short of the glory.

We are at the same time saint and sinner. It's scriptural.

So again, give us the name of just one man who no longer sins.

according to John he writes .. Dear children, don’t let anyone deceive you about this: When people do what is right, it shows that they are righteous, even as Christ is righteous. But when people keep on sinning, it shows that they belong to the devil, who has been sinning since the beginning. But the Son of God came to destroy the works of the devil. Those who have been born into God’s family do not make a practice of sinning, because God’s life is in them. So they can’t keep on sinning, because they are children of God. So now we can tell who are children of God and who are children of the devil. Anyone who does not live righteously and does not love other believers does not belong to God.

it seems you don't want to believe this .. do you not love god ? do you steal? do you lie ? do you sleep with other woman or look at porn ? (comit adultery) do you murder?
etc .. what is this sin you insist on claiming that christians "must " continue to sin .. when the word of god states the evidence that we are the children of god is that we DO NOT CONTINUE to sin ..we cease from it .we were (past tense) prisoners to it ,enslaved to it .but now jesus has set us free . has he not set you free . are you so compelled to sin that you have no say in the matter ?
if so.. you are not free and that is why you continue to do so. i was that way myself for too many years - then the lord jesus lead me to repentance and set me free .now i do not do the sin that did so easily beset .. im free and do not ever desire to be its prisoner again .so why would i ?
i see that your attempting to draw the topic into a personal argument . but i will keep presenting the scriptures to you .. if Jesus came to set you free ..why behave as if you are not free ? do you not believe what he has done for you ? or do you simply prefer the sin ? God Knows ,for he looks upon the heart .
by your personal type questions ..you seek to cause my fall ,as if that would some how excuse others from sin,but it wont for we each stand before god . .. but i seek to cause your freedom . for before the lord brought me to repentance he first caused me to know the shame of my sin and the futility of all my own efforts in battling it .because i battled against the flesh by the will of the flesh ,i battled that which was my master by my masters hand and was already over come - but christ jesus came and broke the power of it off me and set me free and showed me since he had already done so the only reason i continue to sin was becaseu i loved it more then i loved him .. and he led me to repent and turn to him with all my heart and turn away and cease from sin . So while we were all sinners ,now we are made righteous .
there is no verse that states we are both saint and sinner . the apostles never ever write and tel people they are sinners referring to them only as "saints " saved ,redeemed ,etc and referring to those that turn back and backslide into sin to practice it as "backsliders" and giving dire warning of pending judgment .

jesus came to set us free ..he did not come to fail and leave us languishing under sins control . we do that to ourselves only when we desire sin more the we desire to obey God .
its the truth and the truth sets free .. Johns says .. do not let anyone deceive you .. many are already deceived and are in great need of repentance .

 

[Alithis]

what sin is it that people do and love to do that so compels them to defend that sin as some how excusable and acceptable to god ..?

if we do well we need not be ashamed ..if not sin lays at the door to master us and bring death .
Jesus restores us to life in God ... how much greater will be the eternal judgment if we then count that of so little worth and squander it by returning to sin and so profane the salvation of god .

unrepentant sin ..remains unforgiven sin .

repent ,turn away from serving sin and serve god in obedience to him .. for to the workers of iniquity he will say - depart from me you workers of iniquity -i do not know you .

 

[Alithis]

before more accusatory questions are asked attacking the poster instead of addressing the topic
ask ones self -

is this paragraph true .. or not

see how very much our Father loves us, for he calls us his children, and that is what we are! But the people who belong to this world don’t recognize that we are God’s children because they don’t know him. Dear friends, we are already God’s children, but he has not yet shown us what we will be like when Christ appears. But we do know that we will be like him, for we will see him as he really is. And all who have this eager expectation will keep themselves pure, just as he is pure.
Everyone who sins is breaking God’s law, for all sin is contrary to the law of God. And you know that Jesus came to take away our sins, and there is no sin in him. Anyone who continues to live in him will not sin. But anyone who keeps on sinning does not know him or understand who he is.
Dear children, don’t let anyone deceive you about this: When people do what is right, it shows that they are righteous, even as Christ is righteous. But when people keep on sinning, it shows that they belong to the devil, who has been sinning since the beginning. But the Son of God came to destroy the works of the devil. Those who have been born into God’s family do not make a practice of sinning, because God’s life is in them. So they can’t keep on sinning, because they are children of God. So now we can tell who are children of God and who are children of the devil. Anyone who does not live righteously and does not love other believers does not belong to God....

is this true or not ?

For if, after they have escaped the defilements of the world through the knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and overcome, the last state has become worse for them than the first.---"

is this true or not .. ?

But now that you have come to know God, or rather to be known by God, how can you turn back again to the weak and worthless elementary principles of the world, whose slaves you want to be once more?

is this true or not ...
For if we go on sinning deliberately after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, but a fearful expectation of judgment, and a fury of fire that will consume the adversaries. Anyone who has set aside the law of Moses dies without mercy on the evidence of two or three witnesses. How much worse punishment, do you think, will be deserved by the one who has spurned the Son of God, and has profaned the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified, and has outraged the Spirit of grace?"

 

[TurtleHare]

You're refusing to answer the question and instead try to divert by asking other questions?

Here's the deal. No one is advocating sin. Period.

No one is saying we shouldn't follow God's Law. Period.

So really, why not just see what we've all been trying to tell you in this thread since you obviously aren't reading what our positions are. We're trying to share Law and Gospel with you, distinguished properly, yet you're thinking that everyone is saying something different. So stop. Go back. Read. You might just get it and stop your arguing.

 

[Lamb]

I think if you answered their question that this post might get a response?

before more accusatory questions are asked attacking the poster instead of addressing the topic
ask ones self -

is this paragraph true .. or not

see how very much our Father loves us, for he calls us his children, and that is what we are! But the people who belong to this world don’t recognize that we are God’s children because they don’t know him. Dear friends, we are already God’s children, but he has not yet shown us what we will be like when Christ appears. But we do know that we will be like him, for we will see him as he really is. And all who have this eager expectation will keep themselves pure, just as he is pure.
Everyone who sins is breaking God’s law, for all sin is contrary to the law of God. And you know that Jesus came to take away our sins, and there is no sin in him. Anyone who continues to live in him will not sin. But anyone who keeps on sinning does not know him or understand who he is.
Dear children, don’t let anyone deceive you about this: When people do what is right, it shows that they are righteous, even as Christ is righteous. But when people keep on sinning, it shows that they belong to the devil, who has been sinning since the beginning. But the Son of God came to destroy the works of the devil. Those who have been born into God’s family do not make a practice of sinning, because God’s life is in them. So they can’t keep on sinning, because they are children of God. So now we can tell who are children of God and who are children of the devil. Anyone who does not live righteously and does not love other believers does not belong to God....

is this true or not ?

For if, after they have escaped the defilements of the world through the knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and overcome, the last state has become worse for them than the first.---"

is this true or not .. ?

But now that you have come to know God, or rather to be known by God, how can you turn back again to the weak and worthless elementary principles of the world, whose slaves you want to be once more?

is this true or not ...
For if we go on sinning deliberately after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, but a fearful expectation of judgment, and a fury of fire that will consume the adversaries. Anyone who has set aside the law of Moses dies without mercy on the evidence of two or three witnesses. How much worse punishment, do you think, will be deserved by the one who has spurned the Son of God, and has profaned the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified, and has outraged the Spirit of grace?"

 

[Alithis]

Give us a name of one person besides Christ. JUST ONE who has stopped sinning.

Go ahead. Where's such a person??

He doesn't exist! It defies what scriptures tell us. ONLY Jesus is perfect. ONLY Jesus (who is God) does not sin. Everyone single one of us falls short of the glory.

We are at the same time saint and sinner. It's scriptural.

So again, give us the name of just one man who no longer sins.

since lammach has provoked me to answer this question here is my answer -but you wont like it .

think about your question ... John answers it himself ... because if he was continuing to practice SIN .. then what he says here below is saying that he is NOT born of God .
so you are saying NO one has stopped sinning after the lord jesus has set them free from sin ?. your saying no one ceases to practice sin? by asking "name one person" ..and implying there is NONE (your words ) you are saying quite plainly that John is A LIAR

because he says

see how very much our Father loves us, for he calls us his children, and that is what we are! But the people who belong to this world don’t recognize that we are God’s children because they don’t know him. Dear friends, we are already God’s children, but he has not yet shown us what we will be like when Christ appears. But we do know that we will be like him, for we will see him as he really is. And all who have this eager expectation will keep themselves pure, just as he is pure.
Everyone who sins is breaking God’s law, for all sin is contrary to the law of God. And you know that Jesus came to take away our sins, and there is no sin in him. Anyone who continues to live in him will not sin. But anyone who keeps on sinning does not know him or understand who he is.
Dear children, don’t let anyone deceive you about this: When people do what is right, it shows that they are righteous, even as Christ is righteous. But when people keep on sinning, it shows that they belong to the devil, who has been sinning since the beginning. But the Son of God came to destroy the works of the devil. Those who have been born into God’s family do not make a practice of sinning, because God’s life is in them. So they can’t keep on sinning, because they are children of God. So now we can tell who are children of God and who are children of the devil. Anyone who does not live righteously and does not love other believers does not belong to God....

So we see plainly that by your saying there is NO one who has stopped sinning after the Lord Jesus has saved them from sin .. John is of the Devil .

after all ,John writes by the inspiration of the holy Spirit (who cannot lie ) "Anyone who continues to live in him will not sin. But anyone who keeps on sinning does not know him or understand who he is." so if it is as you say ,that " no one stops sinning " then John does not know god nor has he seen him.

and again john write by the same Holy Spirit saying "when people keep on sinning, it shows that they belong to the devil,...": So again ,according to you ,John did not stop sinning ..so John belongs to the devil ! ... ? all because YOU say " no one stops sinning "

and again a 3rd time - John says by the spirit of God ,"Those who have been born into God’s family do not make a practice of sinning, because God’s life is in them. So they can’t keep on sinning, because they are children of God.".. but your saying John continues to practice Sin .. but because YOU SAY " no one can name a single person who stops sinning after being saved from sin ."-and are therefore saying ..John is NOT born of God and is NOT a child of God ..All becaseu YOU say none stop sinning after being saved from sin..

so i answer your question and only one name proves your question out of line ...

I name JOHN
base solely on the scripture .. for either what he has said is true ... or he is an absolute liar as you imply -because if he had not stopped sinning as he speaks about ..then he is- not born of god ..is not a child of god and is of the devil ... that is what he said a person is when they continue in sin .

I name JOHN

 

[Alithis]

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[Josiah]

since lammach has provoked me to answer this question here is my answer -but you wont like it .

think about your question ... John answers it himself ... because if he was continuing to practice SIN .. then what he says here below is saying that he is NOT born of God .
so you are saying NO one has stopped sinning after the lord jesus has set them free from sin ?. your saying no one ceases to practice sin? by asking "name one person" ..and implying there is NONE (your words ) you are saying quite plainly that John is A LIAR

because he says

see how very much our Father loves us, for he calls us his children, and that is what we are! But the people who belong to this world don’t recognize that we are God’s children because they don’t know him. Dear friends, we are already God’s children, but he has not yet shown us what we will be like when Christ appears. But we do know that we will be like him, for we will see him as he really is. And all who have this eager expectation will keep themselves pure, just as he is pure.
Everyone who sins is breaking God’s law, for all sin is contrary to the law of God. And you know that Jesus came to take away our sins, and there is no sin in him. Anyone who continues to live in him will not sin. But anyone who keeps on sinning does not know him or understand who he is.
Dear children, don’t let anyone deceive you about this: When people do what is right, it shows that they are righteous, even as Christ is righteous. But when people keep on sinning, it shows that they belong to the devil, who has been sinning since the beginning. But the Son of God came to destroy the works of the devil. Those who have been born into God’s family do not make a practice of sinning, because God’s life is in them. So they can’t keep on sinning, because they are children of God. So now we can tell who are children of God and who are children of the devil. Anyone who does not live righteously and does not love other believers does not belong to God....

So we see plainly that by your saying there is NO one who has stopped sinning after the Lord Jesus has saved them from sin .. John is of the Devil .

after all ,John writes by the inspiration of the holy Spirit (who cannot lie ) "Anyone who continues to live in him will not sin. But anyone who keeps on sinning does not know him or understand who he is." so if it is as you say ,that " no one stops sinning " then John does not know god nor has he seen him.

and again john write by the same Holy Spirit saying "when people keep on sinning, it shows that they belong to the devil,...": So again ,according to you ,John did not stop sinning ..so John belongs to the devil ! ... ? all because YOU say " no one stops sinning "

and again a 3rd time - John says by the spirit of God ,"Those who have been born into God’s family do not make a practice of sinning, because God’s life is in them. So they can’t keep on sinning, because they are children of God.".. but your saying John continues to practice Sin .. but because YOU SAY " no one can name a single person who stops sinning after being saved from sin ."-and are therefore saying ..John is NOT born of God and is NOT a child of God ..All becaseu YOU say none stop sinning after being saved from sin..

so i answer your question and only one name proves your question out of line ...

I name JOHN
base solely on the scripture .. for either what he has said is true ... or he is an absolute liar as you imply -because if he had not stopped sinning as he speaks about ..then he is- not born of god ..is not a child of god and is of the devil ... that is what he said a person is when they continue in sin .

I name JOHN

Read what you posted..... IMO, if you do, you'll realize your very, very fundamental error. And the error of mixing Law and Gospel, the error of your law-based rejection of the Gospel.

Consider too Paul's statement that he IS the CHIEF of sinners..... Scripture proclaiming that ALL fall short, that NO ONE is righteous, no not even one. IMO, that includes you. Certainly it includes me. Which is why I'm celebrating the coming of the SAVIOR. Celebrating the coming of MERCY.



- Josiah




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