What do we tell unsaved about biblical election?

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Yes receiving is a work, its something you did. It doesnt matter if the work was enabled to do by the Spirit, that makes it a work of righteousness, and we not saved by works of righteousness Titus 3:5

5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;

Repentance is a work, if you saved by your act of repentance, you reject Grace salvation. All you doing is showing more and more you reject Grace Salvation
No, as Paul says in Ephesians 2:8-9, God saves us by grace through faith so that we can't brag about saving ourselves in any way. Receiving it is passive, not active, and thus not a work.
 

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No, as Paul says in Ephesians 2:8-9, God saves us by grace through faith so that we can't brag about saving ourselves in any way. Receiving it is passive, not active, and thus not a work.
Believing is a active verb, a work
 

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No, as Paul says in Ephesians 2:8-9, God saves us by grace through faith so that we can't brag about saving ourselves in any way. Receiving it is passive, not active, and thus not a work.

Exactly because it's God who repents us. :)
 

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Believing is a active verb, a work
It's not an action that we can claim any credit for, because God enables us to do it. It is salvation through faith by grace so that we can't brag about it. Neither can we boast about the works we do for God after he rescues us. It's all in Ephesians 2:8-10.
 

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It's not an action that we can claim any credit for, because God enables us to do it. It is salvation through faith by grace so that we can't brag about it. Neither can we boast about the works we do for God after he rescues us. It's all in Ephesians 2:8-10.
It is an action, and if a person believes they are saved by that action, by default they are taking credit for their salvation, even if they say God enabled them to do it. And they are boasting by default. The only way to avoid this is admitting election, that its by Gods choice ,it made the difference why one believes and the other doesnt.
 

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It is an action, and if a person believes they are saved by that action, by default they are taking credit for their salvation, even if they say God enabled them to do it. And they are boasting by default. The only way to avoid this is admitting election, that its by Gods choice ,it made the difference why one believes and the other doesnt.
So would that mean we should not preach the Gospel, urge people to repent and be Baptized since that would lead us astray (i.e. taking credit, boasting, etc)?
 

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So would that mean we should not preach the Gospel,

How in carnation did you come up with that question ? Of course the Gospel should be preached ,just tell the Truth about it. Who Jesus Christ is, what He has accomplished, and for who specifically did He accomplish it and why
 

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How in carnation did you come up with that question ? Of course the Gospel should be preached ,just tell the Truth about it. Who Jesus Christ is, what He has accomplished, and for who specifically did He accomplish it and why
Well, it seems to me that you are saying that it is by no action of our own that we receive salvation and that God acts alone without our actions being involved so that it doesn't matter what we do or don't do.

If this is not what you are saying, then what are you saying and what was the purpose of your post?

Just trying to understand you, what you mean, and what that implies.
 

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It's not an action that we can claim any credit for, because God enables us to do it. It is salvation through faith by grace so that we can't brag about it. Neither can we boast about the works we do for God after he rescues us. It's all in Ephesians 2:8-10.
Also in the passage you cited faith/believing is stated not to be of ourselves but is the Gift of God, its by Grace, that should be made clear in he Gospel of Grace ! See then there is no ground to boast, but praise grace !
 

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Well, it seems to me that you are saying that it is by no action of our own that we receive salvation and that God acts alone without our actions being involved so that it doesn't matter what we do or don't do.

If this is not what you are saying, then what are you saying and what was the purpose of your post?

Just trying to understand you, what you mean, and what that implies.
I dont see how you come up with such conclusions, I just told you the Gospel should be preached to everyone God gives an opportunity to preach it to,in fact Im preaching it to you now, and I have been preaching it in my posts since day one. What's so difficult about that ? You either believe the testimony of the Gospel or you dont. And God does save His elect on His own by Grace. Salvation is by Grace alone
 

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I dont see how you come up with such conclusions, I just told you the Gospel should be preached to everyone God gives an opportunity to preach it to,in fact Im preaching it to you now, and I have been preaching it in my posts since day one. What's so difficult about that ? You either believe the testimony of the Gospel or you dont. And God does save His elect on His own by Grace. Salvation is by Grace alone
Oh, I believe that salvation is by grace alone, but John 3:16 seems it depends on our actions to receive it.

But your preaching seems to indicate that your actions (i.e. believing) are of no value unless you are among the elect, the elect apparently being decided way back in Genesis 1:1 so that only they are the ones to be saved.

So are you among the elect, and how do you know one way or the other?
 

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Oh, I believe that salvation is by grace alone, but John 3:16 seems it depends on our actions to receive it.

But your preaching seems to indicate that your actions (i.e. believing) are of no value unless you are among the elect, the elect apparently being decided way back in Genesis 1:1 so that only they are the ones to be saved.

So are you among the elect, and how do you know one way or the other?
You entitled to your opinion
 

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It is an action, and if a person believes they are saved by that action, by default they are taking credit for their salvation, even if they say God enabled them to do it. And they are boasting by default. The only way to avoid this is admitting election, that its by Gods choice ,it made the difference why one believes and the other doesnt.
It's not boasting if they say and mean it that God gave them the new birth and faith by his grace. They would be giving God the credit that is due him. The true teaching of biblical election can come later when they are maturing believers instead of even before they become believers, which is the stage we've been talking about. You have to realize that I was an English teacher before I became a pastor, and it's my education background and training that guides me to say these things.
 

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It's not boasting if they say and mean it that God gave them the new birth and faith by his grace.

No it isnt if they acknowledge that it was due to Gods election of grace and Christs particular atonement. If not then you leave room for boasting and works. See you cant say it was by His Grace and omit election, they are inseparable Rom 11:5

5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.

See the way you are saying it, it can be construed that when you exercised faith God gave you newbirth
 
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