God Told Me

[tango]

You brought up something that Jesus talked about on September 30th, 1943, confirming that humility is a sign that distinguishes between His true and false disciples, so I just shared what He said about it. Do what you will with it.

I brought up something that someone claiming to speak for Jesus said on that date. Humility is listed as a fruit of the spirit in Galatians so it's not as if we need modern day prophets, genuine or fake, to know that humility is one way we might distinguish true from fake messengers.

Endlessly claiming that Jesus spoke through this specific person doesn't make it true, and the truthfulness or otherwise of their writings isn't changed by how many times you claim it was Jesus dictating.

 

[Lamb]

“True disciples” do not long to be known as more than the others. Humble like their Master and like my most sweet Mother, they conceal their supernatural powers under the clothing of ordinary life. Suffering is for them to see their true nature uncovered, and, if it were possible to obtain it, they would like no one to realize or, above all, talk about it.

As a true disciple, you believe you have supernatural powers?

 

[Soulx3]

I brought up something that someone claiming to speak for Jesus said on that date. Humility is listed as a fruit of the spirit in Galatians so it's not as if we need modern day prophets, genuine or fake, to know that humility is one way we might distinguish true from fake messengers.

Endlessly claiming that Jesus spoke through this specific person doesn't make it true, and the truthfulness or otherwise of their writings isn't changed by how many times you claim it was Jesus dictating.

Endlessly claiming that Maria Valtorta wasn't Jesus's spokesperson doesn't make it true, and I've given evidence that doesn't support She wasn't.

 

[Soulx3]

As a true disciple, you believe you have supernatural powers?

I never said I was, and your question shows me you didn't understand who Jesus was referring to by "true disciples" in the dictation. He was referring to false and true spokespersons, and the true ones to quote Jesus again, "do not long to be known as more than the others. Humble like their Master and like my most sweet Mother, they conceal their supernatural powers under the clothing of ordinary life. Suffering is for them to see their true nature uncovered, and, if it were possible to obtain it, they would like no one to realize or, above all, talk about it.

The “false disciples”, on the other hand, elevate themselves, celebrate themselves, and attract everyone’s attention to their acts and to themselves; the former and the latter are equally hypocritical. With false humility they contrive so as to oblige others to see them in the light that pleases them—that is, in a light of holiness which is instead a twofold sin of deceit and pride.

But, my daughter, as a paper flower differs from a real one, so the false disciples differ from the real ones. They can deceive those who look superficially, but do not deceive those approaching them with attention.

In addition—know this—upon the one who is another little Me, living in Me and acting for Me to such a degree, there remains a sign which souls perceive. Souls, I said. It is useless to regret the fact that others realize it. The soul possessed by God exhales a perfume and a light which are of God, of God living in it. And you know that perfume and light escape every lock when they are intense. And what light and perfume can be more intense than those of God? Now, if human sight and smell—that is, limited—manage to perceive light and perfumes even if they are tightly enclosed, do you want the soul, whose sensitivity is not human, but spiritual, not to perceive the smell of God and the light of God living in a heart?

[...]"

And, what do you think Jesus meant by "supernatural powers," because I have a feeling you misunderstood what He meant by that as well?

 

[tango]

Endlessly claiming that Maria Valtorta wasn't Jesus's spokesperson doesn't make it true, and I've given evidence that doesn't support She wasn't.

I never said she wasn't, I simply said we can't be certain. You're insisting on the certainty that she was, I'm saying we don't know. I give no credence to her one way or the other. There is a big difference.

 

[Soulx3]

I never said she wasn't, I simply said we can't be certain. You're insisting on the certainty that she was, I'm saying we don't know. I give no credence to her one way or the other. There is a big difference.

I never said that you said she wasn't a spokesperson for Jesus. I was making a general statement just as you were, at least I got the impression you were. I've said there are many reasons why I believe wholeheartedly that Maria Valtorta was a spokesperson for Jesus, and have given evidence that further validates that belief, and there's plenty more. So, for as long as I've spent familiarizing myself with her and her writings, I can say there's plenty of evidence to lead one to the belief that Maria Valtorta was a spokesperson for Jesus, but they're only in their own way from believing by simply not wanting to. What do you think it would take to lead you to believe she was a spokesperson for Jesus?

 

[Lamb]

And, what do you think Jesus meant by "supernatural powers," because I have a feeling you misunderstood what He meant by that as well?

Enlighten me since Jesus in the scriptures doesn't tell us that believers have supernatural powers.

 

[Soulx3]

Enlighten me since Jesus in the scriptures doesn't tell us that believers have supernatural powers.

There's no believers who had or could have supernatural powers?? The seventy-two disciples and the Twelve worked miracles, such as healing the sick and infirm, casting out demons, etc., if that's what you consider examples of " believers that have supernatural powers."

Regarding the dictation, what is your understanding of what Jesus meant by "supernatural powers" considering the context?

 

[Lamb]

There's no believers who had or could have supernatural powers?? The seventy-two disciples and the Twelve worked miracles, such as healing the sick and infirm, casting out demons, etc., if that's what you consider examples of " believers that have supernatural powers."

Regarding the dictation, what is your understanding of what Jesus meant by "supernatural powers" considering the context?

What Maria failed to understand was that the disciples didn't have a power of their own, as if they were little gods. The power was God's and He worked through them to do His will to heal, cast out demons, etc....

 

[Soulx3]

What Maria failed to understand was that the disciples didn't have a power of their own, as if they were little gods.

Nowhere in the dictation does Jesus say that true disciples have a power of their own, as if they are little gods. Therefore, it looks as though you just read the words "true disciples" and "supernatural powers" and assumed what's being said is, "true disciples have a power of their own." See, the problem is, the moment you heard about Maria Valtorta, you automatically concluded that the dictations she received and attributed to Him aren't, and thus in whatever you read from Maria Valtorta's writings you're looking for a "problem," to the point of creating of problem where there isn't, such as in this case.

The power was God's and He worked through them to do His will to heal, cast out demons, etc....

I know, I was the one who gave those examples, in reply to your seemingly having said that nowhere in Scripture did Jesus say He wouldn't work His "supernatural powers" through disciples. I was so shocked by having got that impression which is why I put two question marks.

 

[Lamb]

Nowhere in the dictation does Jesus say that true disciples have a power of their own, as if they are little gods. So, it seems you read the words "true disciples" and "supernatural powers" and assumed that's what's being said. See, the problem is, the moment you heard about Maria Valtorta, you automatically concluded that the dictations she received and attributed to Him aren't, and thus in whatever you read from Maria Valtorta's writings you're looking for a "problem," to the point of creating of problem where there isn't, such as in this case.



I know, I was the one who gave those examples, in reply to your seemingly having said that nowhere in Scripture did Jesus say He wouldn't work His "supernatural powers" through believers. I was so shocked by having got that impression which is why I put two question marks.

Here's your quote:
Humble like their Master and like my most sweet Mother, they conceal their supernatural powers under the clothing of ordinary life.

"their supernatural powers". That's what it says. It doesn't say it's God's.

 

[Soulx3]

Here's your quote:
Humble like their Master and like my most sweet Mother, they conceal their supernatural powers under the clothing of ordinary life.

"their supernatural powers". That's what it says. It doesn't say it's God's.

That's an excerpt, not the full quote. Jesus was referring to His power when saying "their supernatural powers" in regards to His true disciples, because later in the dictation He was referring to them when He said, for example, that they "transmit My Light," and are "acting for Me." So, any supernatural powers they exibit come from Him for Him.

In another thread, I pointed out confirmation bias from you regarding another dictation by Jesus that Maria Valorta received.

As I said, at the moment you learned about Maria Valtorta, you automatically concluded that the dictations she received and attributed to Jesus aren't, and thus now whatever you read from Maria Valtorta's writings you're looking for a "problem," to the point of ignoring text/context, and creating a problem where there isn't, etc., such as in these cases.

 

[Lamb]

That's an excerpt, not the full quote. Jesus was referring to His power when saying "their supernatural powers" in regards to His true disciples, because later in the dictation He was referring to them when He said, for example, that they "transmit My Light," and are "acting for Me." So, any supernatural powers they exibit come from Him for Him.

In another thread, I pointed out confirmation bias from you regarding another dictation by Jesus that Maria Valorta received.

As I said, at the moment you learned about Maria Valtorta, you automatically concluded that the dictations she received and attributed to Jesus aren't, and thus now whatever you read from Maria Valtorta's writings you're looking for a "problem," to the point of ignoring text/context, and creating a problem where there isn't, etc., such as in these cases.

You had the opportunity to say it was Jesus' power from the get go when I asked.

 

[Soulx3]

You had the opportunity to say it was Jesus' power from the get go when I asked.

You didn't ask nor assume Who's power it was, you just assumed I was one of the types of disciples with supernatural powers that Jesus was referring to in the dictation, and asked if I had supernatural powers also. I said I never said I was one of those types, then asked you to explain what you understood "supernatural powers" to mean in the dictation, and eventually you essentially said, "It says, 'their supernatural powers," which must mean their power is their own, and not from God."

That's when I knew to explain that Jesus was referring to His power when saying "their supernatural powers" in regards to the true types of disciples He was was referring to, because later in the dictation He was referring to them when He said, for example, that they "transmit My Light," and are "acting for Me." So, again, any supernatural powers that they exhibit come from Him for Him.

It seems as though you either didn't read the dictation in full, or you did read the dictation in full, but missed or ignored certain text. If so, if you had done either, then you wouldn't have asked what you did in the first place.

 

[tango]

It seems as though you either didn't read the dictation in full, or you did read the dictation in full, but missed or ignored certain text. If so, if you had done either, then you wouldn't have asked what you did in the first place.

So it seems we conclude from these stunningly insightful "prophetic words" that the disciples of Jesus might have supernatural powers or they might not, and if they do they might belong to the disciple or they might belong to Jesus, but it's not clear unless you ask and then the answer shifts to maintain a good bit of vagueness.

Oh, wait, I forgot we were only talking about true disciples. So if someone doesn't have supernatural powers that means they might not be a true disciple, but it might mean they are and the powers belong to Jesus.

Glad that's cleared up.

 

[Soulx3]

So it seems we conclude from these stunningly insightful "prophetic words" that the disciples of Jesus might have supernatural powers or they might not, and if they do they might belong to the disciple or they might belong to Jesus, but it's not clear unless you ask and then the answer shifts to maintain a good bit of vagueness.

Oh, wait, I forgot we were only talking about true disciples. So if someone doesn't have supernatural powers that means they might not be a true disciple, but it might mean they are and the powers belong to Jesus.

No. So, how did you get the impression the supernatural powers of the true types of disciples Jesus is referring to might or might not have supernatural powers, and that if they do it might belong to them, they might belong to Jesus??

By the way, as made clear in the dictation, the types of disciples Jesus is referring to are known to be true disciples by their humility, etc., and the false ones are known by their pride, etc.

 

[Lamb]

No. So, how did you get the impression the supernatural powers of the true types of disciples Jesus is referring to might or might not have supernatural powers, and that if they do it might belong to them, they might belong to Jesus??

By the way, as made clear in the dictation, the types of disciples Jesus is referring to are known to be true disciples by their humility, etc., and the false ones are known by their pride, etc.

It was just a quote that you provided that caused the concern. It's obviously poorly worded then since you're saying it's not saying what it actually says?

 

[Soulx3]

It was just a quote that you provided that caused the concern. It's obviously poorly worded then since you're saying it's not saying what it actually says?

Again, you assumed I was one of the types of disciples with supernatural powers that Jesus was referring to in the dictation, and asked if I had supernatural powers also. I said I never said I was one of those types, then asked you to explain what you understood "supernatural powers" to mean in the dictation, and eventually you essentially said, "It says, 'their supernatural powers," which must mean their power is their own, and not from God."

In reply, I explained that Jesus was referring to His power when saying "their supernatural powers" in regards to the types of disciples He was was referring to, because later in the dictation He was referring to them when He said, for example, that they "transmit My Light," and are "acting for Me." So, any supernatural powers that they exhibit come from Him for Him.

Therefore, again, you were asserting the dictation was saying something different than what it actually says. As I've said, it seems as though you either didn't read the dictation in full, or you did read the dictation in full, but missed or ignored certain text. If so, if you had done either, then you wouldn't have asked what you did in the first place.

 

[tango]

No. So, how did you get the impression the supernatural powers of the true types of disciples Jesus is referring to might or might not have supernatural powers, and that if they do it might belong to them, they might belong to Jesus??

By the way, as made clear in the dictation, the types of disciples Jesus is referring to are known to be true disciples by their humility, etc., and the false ones are known by their pride, etc.

Maybe it was from something you said. It seems to shift like the sands, so it's hardly surprising the only conclusions we can draw from it are somewhat vague.

 

[Lamb]

Again, you assumed I was one of the types of disciples with supernatural powers that Jesus was referring to in the dictation, and asked if I had supernatural powers also. I said I never said I was one of those types, then asked you to explain what you understood "supernatural powers" to mean in the dictation, and eventually you essentially said, "It says, 'their supernatural powers," which must mean their power is their own, and not from God."

In reply, I explained that Jesus was referring to His power when saying "their supernatural powers" in regards to the types of disciples He was was referring to, because later in the dictation He was referring to them when He said, for example, that they "transmit My Light," and are "acting for Me." So, any supernatural powers that they exhibit come from Him for Him.

Therefore, again, you were asserting the dictation was saying something different than what it actually says. As I've said, it seems as though you either didn't read the dictation in full, or you did read the dictation in full, but missed or ignored certain text. If so, if you had done either, then you wouldn't have asked what you did in the first place.

So it's all my fault? I mean, that's how you're presenting it. All I did was re-quote your quote and asked about, and what I get in return is accusation that I am at fault for not knowing there was more to it than what was quoted.