Over 29,000 Palestinians killed....

[Hadassah]

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[Lees]

How did I know you would say that. The difference is, American presidents haven't signed onto their Jihadist laws to be implemented. They have however, signed onto the Noahide laws, which have nothing, zero, zilch -to do with Noah. I knew this would get a stir out of you. America signed on for a synagogue of satan slaughter of it citizens. Covid is one means. Deception and betrayal , and the handing over of nations with Christian influence in their laws, is sealed with a kiss. The Judas' will realize too late their crime against Christianity. They have hung themselves.

So, because America's foundation is Christian and based upon the Bible, then you say we have signed on for a 'synogogue of satan slaughter of it citizens'? Strange. What did you sign on for?

1. You are the church when you serve Yeshua ha Mashiach! 2. You are only called " My people Israel" when God prevails in you! Israel means God Prevail! Otherwise, you are shaft to be sifted out and blown away.

1.) One becomes part of the Church when they place faith in Jesus Christ. 2.) The Church is not Israel.

No matter what Lees, the prophet's don't lie! The recorded events don't lie. ISRAEL! God Prevails!

Where did I indicate that the Biblical prophets lie? Who are the 'prophets' you speak of? What are the 'recorded events' you speak of?

Lees

 

[Hadassah]

So, because America's foundation is Christian and based upon the Bible, then you say we have signed on for a 'synogogue of satan slaughter of it citizens'? Strange. What did you sign on for?


1.) One becomes part of the Church when they place faith in Jesus Christ. 2.) The Church is not Israel.


Where did I indicate that the Biblical prophets lie? Who are the 'prophets' you speak of? What are the 'recorded events' you speak of?

Lees

I seem to have touched a non- Nicene cord in you. The very people you defend spit in the face of such creeds. Yet you call it Christian? "Woe unto you who call good evil and evil good"

You say because they quote OT scripture that puts them in unity with Christ? They reject Christ, they forfeit their birthright. Afterall, you are only born again in Christ. Just like you cannot call an aborted child a life choice, you cannot call an incomplete development- birth. You shouldn't speak so much if you don't want people to know your heart.

America's foundation isn't Christian it has Christian influence, big difference. Some of the founding fathers were freemasons. You don't seem to understand the 30 pieces of silver. Anyway, why you are party to a government whose Talmud calls Christ a liar, deceiver and sorcerer, a bastard child of a whore, is beyond me. Their Talmud blasphemes Christ and His mother, yet you are telling me, Christians should be in unity with that? That's an oxymoron. Can't support the Nicene Creed and that.

Righteousness has nothing in common with filth! Period! How things are so apparent at this end of the age. You stick with the obsolete I stick with the full monty. Don't know who taught you this sellout doctrine you peddle. I thought Christianity was clear- " I Am the WAY, the TRUTH and the LIFE, no one comes to the Father except by ME."

If you don't follow Christ then go be His enemy, don't think you can change His doctrine though and say you are a Christian .I just have to shake my head.

 

[Hadassah]

Something I've learned about forums, they misrepresent. A lot of times the owners are not Christian but rather Jews or Judaizers. They put a net out (inter-net) to catch fish. They put their hooks out with bait that appears appealing such as the Nicene Creed. However, they don't support it , they use it, they do nothing in its name , Christ doesn't even know them. They do nothing in His name, they simply just use it!

You have more than a fish in your presents. Your hooks don't catch some, your net- too small. Leviathans can't be defeated because God has bigger plans for them than your little hooks and nets.

I will leave you with My Lord's words " A good tree cannot bear bad fruit and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit. Any tree that does not bear good fruit will be cut down. The ax is already laid at the root...... You will know them by their fruits."

 

[Lamb]

Something I've learned about forums, they misrepresent. A lot of times the owners are not Christian but rather Jews or Judaizers. They put a net out (inter-net) to catch fish. They put their hooks out with bait that appears appealing such as the Nicene Creed. However, they don't support it , they use it, they do nothing in its name , Christ doesn't even know them. They do nothing in His name, they simply just use it!

You have more than a fish in your presents. Your hooks don't catch some, your net- too small. Leviathans can't be defeated because God has bigger plans for them than your little hooks and nets.

I will leave you with My Lord's words " A good tree cannot bear bad fruit and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit. Any tree that does not bear good fruit will be cut down. The ax is already laid at the root...... You will know them by their fruits."

Here at Christianity Haven, the owner is a Christian, as are all the staff.

 

[Lees]

I seem to have touched a non- Nicene cord in you. The very people you defend spit in the face of such creeds. Yet you call it Christian? "Woe unto you who call good evil and evil good"

You say because they quote OT scripture that puts them in unity with Christ? They reject Christ, they forfeit their birthright. Afterall, you are only born again in Christ. Just like you cannot call an aborted child a life choice, you cannot call an incomplete development- birth. You shouldn't speak so much if you don't want people to know your heart.

America's foundation isn't Christian it has Christian influence, big difference. Some of the founding fathers were freemasons. You don't seem to understand the 30 pieces of silver. Anyway, why you are party to a government whose Talmud calls Christ a liar, deceiver and sorcerer, a bastard child of a whore, is beyond me. Their Talmud blasphemes Christ and His mother, yet you are telling me, Christians should be in unity with that? That's an oxymoron. Can't support the Nicene Creed and that.

Righteousness has nothing in common with filth! Period! How things are so apparent at this end of the age. You stick with the obsolete I stick with the full monty. Don't know who taught you this sellout doctrine you peddle. I thought Christianity was clear- " I Am the WAY, the TRUTH and the LIFE, no one comes to the Father except by ME."

If you don't follow Christ then go be His enemy, don't think you can change His doctrine though and say you are a Christian .I just have to shake my head.

What non-Nicene Creed cord would that be? I don't call Israel Christian. I like to think I have the same view of Israel as Paul did. (Rom. 9:1-5) (Rom. 11:1) (Rom. 11:11-12) (Rom. 11:25-26)

No I never said Israel today is in unity with Christ. They are today enemies of Christ and the Gospel, for our sakes. (Rom. 11:28) (Rom. 11:8)

But this blindness of Israel is temporary. "until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in" (Rom. 11:25) (Rom. 11:15)

The foundation of America is/was Christian. Read the Mayflower Compact, 1620) Read the 'Articles of Confederation' of 1777) "In the year of our Lord" Read the 13 states Constitutions that ratified the 'Articles of Confederation'. Under the Articles of Confederation the States had the dominant power instead of the Federal.

I have never denied that Christ is the only way. And, I have given much more Biblical proof of my doctrine then you have of yours.

You assume that, because I disagree with you in some areas, I am not Christian. And you have assumed that based on other assumptions you have made of my doctrine, which are not true.

You fail to reply to my last questions in my post #(22). Where did I indicate the Biblical prophets lie? What prophets do you speak of? What recorded events are you speaking of?

Lees

 

[Hadassah]

What non-Nicene Creed cord would that be? I don't call Israel Christian. I like to think I have the same view of Israel as Paul did. (Rom. 9:1-5) (Rom. 11:1) (Rom. 11:11-12) (Rom. 11:25-26)

No I never said Israel today is in unity with Christ. They are today enemies of Christ and the Gospel, for our sakes. (Rom. 11:28) (Rom. 11:8)

But this blindness of Israel is temporary. "until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in" (Rom. 11:25) (Rom. 11:15)

The foundation of America is/was Christian. Read the Mayflower Compact, 1620) Read the 'Articles of Confederation' of 1777) "In the year of our Lord" Read the 13 states Constitutions that ratified the 'Articles of Confederation'. Under the Articles of Confederation the States had the dominant power instead of the Federal.

I have never denied that Christ is the only way. And, I have given much more Biblical proof of my doctrine then you have of yours.

You assume that, because I disagree with you in some areas, I am not Christian. And you have assumed that based on other assumptions you have made of my doctrine, which are not true.

You fail to reply to my last questions in my post #(22). Where did I indicate the Biblical prophets lie? What prophets do you speak of? What recorded events are you speaking of?

Lees

I know the Mayflower compact. They are not the signers of the Declaration of Independence, those who came over on the Mayflower didn't sign the Constitution of the United States of America. I said America has some Christian influence, period! Not-" no Christian influence." I said some of its signers were freemasons, period! That is a historical fact just as many of the things you point to. The funny thing is though, only the white races saw themselves as a purely Christian nation then. The majority did not afford that to others. The Native Americans and Negros brought here by force would say differently. So, would God who does not permit the subjugation of people based on their race even in the OT, Israel was not permitted to unjustly remove people from their lands by force and force them to be slaves. So come again? At most, this country right out of the gate was a Lukewarm Nation not a fully Christian nation because (Christian) charity was only granted to white faces. FACTS!

I have not gone against scripture and no kidding blindness of those called Israel is temporary, it also says Romans 9: 27 Isaiah cries out concerning Israel: “Though the number of the Israelites is like the sand of the sea, only the remnant will be saved. 28For the Lord will carry out His sentence on the earth thoroughly and decisively.”…

That means not everyone you call Israel- is. I don't put scripture against scripture but read in its totality. Only the remnant of Jacob will be saved. When it says all of Israel will be saved but also says what Roman's says, it is not a contradiction. It is that the elect among gentile will too be called His people Israel therefore, all of Israel will be saved. Meaning those in whom God prevails. I have not come against God's people but rather against you and those who think they are His people and are proven to not be.

I, in all my post have said and done according to what God's own prophets have said. You on the other hand are drinking some cherry-picking juice and are thumping the false "zionist" rose color glass's view which ignores the retribution coming for the nation state over Israel. You thump talking points built with blood. Justifying it by saying " All salvation is gained by blood; I am not afraid of a little bloodshed." Then think by saying " I am Christian " means you are.

Isaiah 9:
Unto Us a Child is Born
…5For every trampling boot of battle and every garment rolled in blood will be burned as fuel for the fire. 6For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given, and the government will be upon His shoulders. And He will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace. 7Of the increase of His government and peace there will be no end. He will reign on the throne of David and over his kingdom, to establish and sustain it with justice and righteousness from that time and forevermore. The zeal of the LORD of Hosts will accomplish this.…

You promote violence when not one apostle was called to kill to promote Christianity. You cannot serve a violent government and the peace of Christ. You live in a fantasy world religion not Christian in the least. You deny the prophets, then have the nerve to say you follow Christ, when HE IS THE LAW AND THE PROPHETS. Your misguided messianic rabbis, who are wolves in sheep's clothing are more concerned with being Jewish rather than Faith and truth. Because there is no greatest Jewishness than following Christ.

If you are against Micah, who I have proven shows your acceptable "zion" is built on blood is a lie, if you deny Obadiah and the calling out of Bibi, which I may add, I have given ample support with Israeli's own words that Bibi is not who you would pump him up to be, then you are for the lie. The "zion" is built on blood narrative flies in the face of Christ as anti-Christ! FACTS! Because Micah said so! You deny proper appropriation of prophecy in time, you tell me what time Micah 3 applies to then, OLD or NEW COVENANT? Tell me who Obadiah is speaking of?

Clearly, the prophet Micah is speaking of a time after the OC when blood shed is not the means by which Israel shall build. If that is wrong, then we would have no need of a new covenant. Facts! Isaiah 9 need not apply then either. Mine as well deny Isaiah 53 and call it a day with your nonsense. You will be just like those who call themselves Jews yet loathe Christ.

Youn know that is the truth, you simply do not like it because it is not what your itching ears have grown accustomed to. Prove Micah is wrong, prove Obadiah is wrong. You won't and you can't! You will simply sneer and tear apart my facts with removing my words and taking them out of context when the whole of what I say is clearly in support of Israel. It is only against false "zionist" propaganda! If you are for the New Covenant, tell me, do you believe Rev.14? Do you really think Bibi and his cabinet fit that? Please. What I say is not for those who loathe Christ, but for those who love Him and for those Jews who still have to come to faith in Him. PERIOD! I do not aid and abet nonsense but admonish and uplift according to the call of Christ.

1 Thessalonians 5: 4And we urge you, brothers, to admonish the unruly, encourage the fainthearted, help the weak, and be patient with everyone. 15Make sure that no one repays evil for evil. Always pursue what is good for one another and for all people.…

You believe in repaying evil for evil, I do not. I follow the Good News. I admonish the unruly, which you are, that means a strong reprimand for not following the rules of Christ. You follow man's rules, you think as men think not as God thinks!

You cannot serve two masters.

 

[Hadassah]

When Bibi preaches " There is a time for peace and a time for war", he does not apply that according to NC tenets. Worldly governments, are about their agendas. They are the burdens upon men as the cross placed upon Christ's shoulders represents. It was government that put it upon Him when He came. His government which is the kingdom of heaven precepts in peace,is revealed in The Lord's Prayer. It has been growing since His coming and has been present among His followers throughout history since. They are the saints and martyrs not killers promoting His name, like Luther became- "a dog returns to its own vomit" that is what a sinner does who is not truly converted to Christ and born again, he returns to sinning like a dog returns to his own vomit.

Because they became aware of Christ's laws, they end up worse than when they first started out. Those who say they follow Luther, I say what my brother Paul said; " some of you say " I follow Apollo, I follow Paul.... I follow Christ... did Paul die for your sins"?
Point is the right answer is " I follow Christ" You are to say " I am Christian". Luther died for no one, he did murder though, he did so after knowing the truth. I do not follow dogs and their vomit!

See, this is how Christian wars are fought! Christians are the sword of Christ's mouth on earth! Not carnal weapons but truth! Piercing truth!

St. Paul said " Our weapons are not carnal, but spiritual and tear down all presumption against Christ putting all in submission to HIM". He told Peter to put his knife back in its sheath. " He who lives by the sword, shall die by it", all party in spirit and mind to the blood shed to further Christianity is false " zionist" baloney-Jewish or otherwise. He who lives by the carnal sword will die by the sword!

Go be a worldly soldier Lees, but don't teach Christianity. It is a nonviolent doctrine. Period! Christ never said it was easy doctrine. For sure it is not Christianity you teach. Stop changing it to fit your worldly endeavor in fake "zionism". Christ is not your tool. We are supposed to be tools of His in promoting His kingdom. If He is called the Prince of Peace, we are to represent that peace. Our weapons are WORDS, not profane but sharp and wisely spoken.

 

[Lees]

@Hadassah in response to your post #(27)

Why don't you answer my questions?

The 'Mayflower Compact' makes up the foundation for America. Just as the Articles of Confederation do, as I showed you, which you ignore. The Mayflower compact was the first Constitution the early pioneers were under. The Constitution of 1787 took away some of that Christian foundation.

Once again, you talk a lot, but have nothing to say. God established blessing upon Shem, the Semitic race and Japheth, the white race. He provided curses and no blessing upon Ham, the people of color. (Gen. 9:24-27) God made Hams descendants a slave to Shem and Japheth.

You say God does not permit slavery on basis of race. Yet He did just that. God did not permit Israel to make an Israelite a slave. But He gave the other races to them to be slaves. (Lev. 25:45-46) Again, you don't know what you're talking about.

Concerning the white race being mostly Christian, that too is from God. God forbade Paul and his companions to go to Asia and instead to go to Europe and evangelize. (Acts 16:6-20) My, my, what a racist God is. He chose the Jews. Blessed them of Shem. He chose the white race, and blessed them of Japheth. He left Africa in the dark, of Ham. Europe being Christian from King to pauper as a result. And today all immigration gravitates toward the white dominated countries. Again, you don't know what you're talking about.

No. Gentiles don't become Israel. They become part of the Church. There is a remnant of Israel today, the saved Jews within the Church. But they are the Church. One day, when the Lord returns, all Israel will be saved. All Israel consists of all the believing Jews, not Gentiles. Just because one is born a Jew does not make him a child of God. But one day, All Jews who will make up the nation Israel, will be children of God.

Show me where I am against (Micah) and (Obadiah). I believe every word of them. Concerning (Micah 3) it is about judgement against Israel and Judah and the coming destruction of Jerusalem by Babylon. (Micah 3) takes place under the Old or Mosaic Covenant. Parts of(Micah 4) speaks of the future millennial reign with Israel restored, which is when Israel receives the benefit of the New Covenant.

Yes, I believe (Rev. 14). Why wouldn't I?

Lees

 

[Lees]

When Bibi preaches " There is a time for peace and a time for war", he does not apply that according to NC tenets. Worldly governments, are about their agendas. They are the burdens upon men as the cross placed upon Christ's shoulders represents. It was government that put it upon Him when He came. His government which is the kingdom of heaven precepts in peace,is revealed in The Lord's Prayer. It has been growing since His coming and has been present among His followers throughout history since. They are the saints and martyrs not killers promoting His name, like Luther became- "a dog returns to its own vomit" that is what a sinner does who is not truly converted to Christ and born again, he returns to sinning like a dog returns to his own vomit.

Because they became aware of Christ's laws, they end up worse than when they first started out. Those who say they follow Luther, I say what my brother Paul said; " some of you say " I follow Apollo, I follow Paul.... I follow Christ... did Paul die for your sins"?
Point is the right answer is " I follow Christ" You are to say " I am Christian". Luther died for no one, he did murder though, he did so after knowing the truth. I do not follow dogs and their vomit!

See, this is how Christian wars are fought! Christians are the sword of Christ's mouth on earth! Not carnal weapons but truth! Piercing truth!

St. Paul said " Our weapons are not carnal, but spiritual and tear down all presumption against Christ putting all in submission to HIM". He told Peter to put his knife back in its sheath. " He who lives by the sword, shall die by it", all party in spirit and mind to the blood shed to further Christianity is false " zionist" baloney-Jewish or otherwise. He who lives by the carnal sword will die by the sword!

Go be a worldly soldier Lees, but don't teach Christianity. It is a nonviolent doctrine. Period! Christ never said it was easy doctrine. For sure it is not Christianity you teach. Stop changing it to fit your worldly endeavor in fake "zionism". Christ is not your tool. We are supposed to be tools of His in promoting His kingdom. If He is called the Prince of Peace, we are to represent that peace. Our weapons are WORDS, not profane but sharp and wisely spoken.

Nations are not run by the New Covenant. Where do you get that idea? Nations move and act in accordance to what they believe is best for the nation. No nation today would survive if they attempted to run it in accordance with the New Covenant.

You're confusing nation and church, as you do everything else. Nations have to be violent to survive.

Lees

 

[Hadassah]

@Hadassah in response to your post #(27)

Why don't you answer my questions?

The 'Mayflower Compact' makes up the foundation for America. Just as the Articles of Confederation do, as I showed you, which you ignore. The Mayflower compact was the first Constitution the early pioneers were under. The Constitution of 1787 took away some of that Christian foundation.

Once again, you talk a lot, but have nothing to say. God established blessing upon Shem, the Semitic race and Japheth, the white race. He provided curses and no blessing upon Ham, the people of color. (Gen. 9:24-27) God made Hams descendants a slave to Shem and Japheth.

You say God does not permit slavery on basis of race. Yet He did just that. God did not permit Israel to make an Israelite a slave. But He gave the other races to them to be slaves. (Lev. 25:45-46) Again, you don't know what you're talking about.

Concerning the white race being mostly Christian, that too is from God. God forbade Paul and his companions to go to Asia and instead to go to Europe and evangelize. (Acts 16:6-20) My, my, what a racist God is. He chose the Jews. Blessed them of Shem. He chose the white race, and blessed them of Japheth. He left Africa in the dark, of Ham. Europe being Christian from King to pauper as a result. And today all immigration gravitates toward the white dominated countries. Again, you don't know what you're talking about.

No. Gentiles don't become Israel. They become part of the Church. There is a remnant of Israel today, the saved Jews within the Church. But they are the Church. One day, when the Lord returns, all Israel will be saved. All Israel consists of all the believing Jews, not Gentiles. Just because one is born a Jew does not make him a child of God. But one day, All Jews who will make up the nation Israel, will be children of God.

Show me where I am against (Micah) and (Obadiah). I believe every word of them. Concerning (Micah 3) it is about judgement against Israel and Judah and the coming destruction of Jerusalem by Babylon. (Micah 3) takes place under the Old or Mosaic Covenant. Parts of(Micah 4) speaks of the future millennial reign with Israel restored, which is when Israel receives the benefit of the New Covenant.

Yes, I believe (Rev. 14). Why wouldn't I?

Lees

Lol! Silly man, of course the ingrafted gentile becomes part of Israel. Talk about hatred. The only people I have spoken to with this kind of hatred are the white Orthodox Jews and those for the Jim Crow Laws. LOL! They hate everyone, they have no clue what Joseph's Coat of many colors means. No one denied God chose a people or that it is first to the Jews. My Lord is of the tribe of Judah. Don't know what you are going on about. However, you are wrong about the elect gentile not being part of the House of Israel, and guess what, BLACK PEOPLE ARE PART OF THE COVENANT.

Did you know Moses's second wife was a Cushite woman?
It is clear that Christianity is not a white man's religion because there are a number of people of the black race within the Word. But going back to the beginning , it is clear that we all come from the same two people. Adam and Eve obviously were created with the genes to produce people of all races so it could be that if not both one, maybe Eve -was black ,for the blend of all races makes black. Further more , it is clear that Noah and his son's too produced people of all races because after the flood they repopulated the planet.

And it is clear that Moses' children with his wife- his second wife Tharbis would be mixed and probably be a polished bronze complexion like Christ is (for another discussion but it is revealed in scripture).

Zipporah or Tzipora (/ˈzɪpərə, zɪˈpɔːrə/; Hebrew: צִפוֹרָה‬, Tsippōrāh, "bird") is mentioned in the Book of Exodus as the wife of Moses, and the daughter of Reuel/Jethro, the priest or prince of Midian.
Tharbis was Mose's second wife and was a Black woman Moses agreed on marrying with the condition that she deliver the Ethiopians into his hand. Tharbis did so and after Moses destroyed the Ethiopians, he married Tharbis (Jos 2:10).

Moses's second wife was not white she was Cushite . Cushite itself means black, and it is true that they were a dark skinned people. They were of a region south of Ethiopia.

Excerpt from an article by John Piper 9Marks
Moses, a Jew, apparently married a black African and was approved by God.
We learn in Numbers that “Miriam and Aaron spoke against Moses because of the Cushite woman whom he had married, for he had married a Cushite woman” (Num. 12:1). A Cushite is from Cush, a region south of Ethiopia, where the people are known for their black skin. We know this because of Jeremiah 13:23: “Can the Ethiopian [the same Hebrew word translated “Cushite” in Numbers 12:1] change his skin or the leopard his spots? Then also you can do good who are accustomed to do evil.” Attention is drawn to the difference of the skin of the Cushite people.

In his book From Every People and Nation: A Biblical Theology of Race, Daniel Hays writes that Cush “is used regularly to refer to the area south of Egypt, and above the cataracts on the Nile, where a Black African civilization flourished for over two thousand years. Thus, it is quite clear that Moses marries a Black African woman” (71).
In response to Miriam’s criticism, God does not get angry at Moses; he gets angry at Miriam. The criticism has to do with Moses’ marriage and Moses’ authority. The most explicit statement relates to the marriage: “Miriam and Aaron spoke against Moses because of the Cushite woman whom he had married, for he had married a Cushite woman.” Then God strikes Miriam with leprosy. Why? Consider this possibility. In God’s anger at Miriam, Moses’ sister, God says in effect, “You like being light-skinned Miriam? I’ll make you light-skinned.” So, we read, “When the cloud removed from over the tent, behold, Miriam was leprous, like snow” (Num. 12:10)
God says not a critical word against Moses for marrying a black Cushite woman. But when Miriam criticizes God’s chosen leader for this marriage God strikes her skin with white leprosy. If you ever thought black was a biblical symbol for uncleanness, be careful; a worse white uncleanness could come upon you.

End Of Excerpt.
Not to mention the Ethiopian eunuch St. Philip baptized. He was reading from the scroll of Isaiah 53 as he was on his way to Jerusalem. Why did that Eunuch have scripture? Because the Hebrew books were given to Makeda the Queen of Sheba by Solomon. She was Solomon's greatest love. There is a mystery concerning the Bride of Christ and the end of the age in the Song of Solomon. If you are nice to me I might share its meaning. Highly doubt you will be though.
Romans 11:
The Ingrafting of the Gentiles
…16If the first part of the dough is holy, so is the whole batch; if the root is holy, so are the branches. 17Now if some branches have been broken off, and you, a wild olive shoot, have been grafted in among the others to share in the nourishment of the olive root,

You have to be part of the tree to share the SAME nourishing olive root. Don't know what's so hard to understand about that. A horticulturalist gets that, yet you think you teach Christian doctrine and don't know that? Oy vey! Who knew! Clearly, you are speaking outside of the Holy Spirit if a gardener has more knowledge than you on ingrafting. Oh well, stuff happens.

I am not discussing the Mayflower Pact, this and that. I will simply discuss Hebrew doctrine if you don't mind. Afterall, you would be derailing your own argument making any gentiles the center of attention, yet you are? LOL! Gaslight much! Any whhhhooo,
your hang up over Noah's sons is the crux of every one of your arguments and makes you obvious.

The Church is His people whom God calls Israel, unless you are obtuse, the first Christians were Jewish and therefore, the first believers were Jews and the believing Jew is Israel ......Therefore, are the beginning of the church in which every elect gentile, thereafter, is grafted into and by that, made part of. There is no way around that, no matter how hard you try to redefine ingrafting.

continued......

 

[Hadassah]

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No duh, Micah is under the Mosaic Covenant, that is not what I said nor the issue. The fact is, he wrote about the NC and that seems to tick you off! Hence you say-" No, the gentile doesn't become part of Israel they become part of the church", LOL! First of all, there was no Israel as a place at the time of Christ, concerning the land being called it. HELLO! God's people were simply called Israel. Let me guess now, you are rewriting history? Jerusalem- it's City of David was part of the ancient land of Canaan. However, during the time of Christ, that land, where Jerusalem is, was called Palestine. It simply was the Roman equivalent of the word (Philistine). It wasn't until the Rothschilds via England, established the Balfour Declaration that a Jewish land would be recognized.

The Balfour Declaration, issued by the British Government in 1917, expressed support for the establishment of a “national home for the Jewish people” in Palestine1. However, it’s important to note that the declaration did not specifically name this national home as “Israel”. The name “Israel” was chosen when the state was officially established in 1948, several decades after the Balfour Declaration. The Balfour Declaration was a significant milestone in the Zionist movement, but the creation of the state of Israel involved many more events and actors over the following years. Learn the history, it matters. So much false doctrine out here.

I am surprised you are even discussing the Mayflower Compact, with all your gentile hate. I would think it is not good for your health. You should resort to pandering to only the white Jews if you don't mind. Please and thank you!

Really though, it is a known fact that the Rothschilds had a hand in the Balfour Declaration.

Jewish News:

Lord Rothschild discusses cousin’s crucial role in ‘miracle’ Balfour Declaration​

Speaking ahead of the 67-word letter's centenary, Jacob Rothschild describes the historic declaration which paved the way for Israel's existence​

By STEPHEN ORYSZCZUKFebruary 8, 2017, 9:47 am

See, Mr. Know-It- All, Israel as a place, as a land, called by that name, never existed. However, a people whom God CALLED ISRAEL did. They are the first church too dude. Any time the Lord God spoke of Israel, He spoke of them as a people never as a place, because they were always displaced. The meaning of Jacob's hip being displace after wrestling with an angel. Don't want to share too much knowledge in here. People like you go take it and run somewhere else and act like you came up with it. Thus, fulfilling the parable of the thief who climbed in another way.

John 10:
Jesus the Good Shepherd
1“Truly, truly, I tell you, whoever does not enter the sheepfold by the gate, but climbs in some other way, is a thief and a robber. 2But the one who enters by the gate is the shepherd of the sheep.…

People like you, don't get knowledge by way of entering Christ, you take stuff to get in among the sheep like you have been given the Key of David when you actually steal truths other's share to sound self-important among Christ's children. Everyone wants a piece of Christ's glow.

I am amazed at how brazen you are with your racism in here. It is a definite reflection of this site, because they let your hatred stand. So glad I record all my interactions on these sites. Really bad people using Christianity to promote racism. The funny thing is though, you hate because you have sight. If you were blind, you would probably be blessed. You would not make such distinctions even if you tried, it would be impossible.
Romans 2:
9There will be trouble and distress for every human being who does evil, first for the Jew, then for the Greek/Gentile; 10but glory, honor, and peace for everyone who does good, first for the Jew, then for the Greek/Gentile. 11For God does not show favoritism.

12All who sin apart from the law will also perish apart from the law, and all who sin under the law will be judged by the law. 13For it is not the hearers of the law who are righteous before God, but it is the doers of the law who will be declared righteous.

No one is under any curse in Christ. It is like you hope the curse remains so you can continue to be a racist. You keep rattling off the same redundant OT verses. Oh! be blind man and be blessed! The eyes of your fallen nature do you an injustice. Better to enter heaven maimed than whole and in sin.

Matthew 18: 9And if your eye causes you to sin, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to enter life with one eye than to have two eyes and be thrown into the fire of hell.
Habakkuk 2:4
Look at the proud one; his soul is not upright--but the righteous will live by faith--

Hebrews 8:
The New Covenant
…12For I will forgive their iniquities and will remember their sins no more.” 13By speaking of a new covenant, He has made the first one obsolete; and what is obsolete and aging will soon disappear.

Hope you don't disappear with it.

 

[Hadassah]

Nations are not run by the New Covenant. Where do you get that idea? Nations move and act in accordance to what they believe is best for the nation. No nation today would survive if they attempted to run it in accordance with the New Covenant.

You're confusing nation and church, as you do everything else. Nations have to be violent to survive.

Lees

I am not the one who is mashing up Christianity / Christ's kingdom with the kingdoms of men. I have to laugh, you talk about the statue of Neb in the Book of Daniel and how the kingdom of Christ destroys all those nations. Yet you can't put 2+2 together.

" My kingdom is not of this world, if My kingdom was of this world my followers would fight for My release,....so, you are a king? ..... For this reason I have come into this world , to reveal truth all those who are for truth listen to My voice."

I am the only one in this conversation who has not confused Christ's kingdom with the kingdoms of men. Hence, why I AM THE ONE discouraging people from being in the world and of the world, unlike you. You even support killing people. Enjoy your night.

 

[Lees]

@Hadassah concerning posts #(31-32)

You still don't answer my questions. Why?

You want to gloss over your ignorance of the Bible by presenting empty voluminous posts. You stated in post #(27) that God would not permit Israel to take others of another race as slaves. Which was an error on your part based upon your ignorance of Scripture. I showed you that God did command Israel to take slaves of other races. (Lev. 45:-46) Will you address your error? Will you admit you didn't know what you were talking about?

Do you believe (Gen. 9:24-27)?

Do you believe (Acts 16:6-20)

Moses taking an Ethiopian woman as wife, and the conversion of the Ethiopian eunuch, doesn't change Noah's prophecy in (Gen. 9:24-27). And the Church being mainly Gentile does not affect Noah's prophecy in (Gen. 9:24-27)

The Church is not Israel. It is a distinct separate body of believers made up of Jews and Gentiles. The Gentiles are not grafted into Israel. They are grafted into the Olive Tree which represents the Abrahamic Covenant, which Israel also will be grafted in again. (Rom. 11:24) That will occur after the 'fullness of the Gentiles' is complete in the Church. (Rom. 11:25)

Again, show me where I am against (Micah) and (Obadiah). Give me the chapter and verses you allude to in (Micah) where he addresses the New Covenant. And, again, why wouldn't I believe (Rev. 14)?

Israel ceased to be the nation God intended it to be after the Babylonian captivity. She was/is under the judgement of God. That didn't change God's purpose for Israel. That didn't change the geographical location of Israel as the nation of God. Pick up a concordance, I know it's heavy, and look up Israel and see how many times it is addressed in the Gospels.

My racism and hatred? Please. Your accusations have little affect when your ignorance of the Bible is so displayed. And when called into question, you avoid the questions.

Concerning (Rom. 2), it does not remove or even address (Gen. 9:24-27). It addresses the guilt and judgement to come for all men whether Jew or Gentile. Whether under the Mosaic Law or not. Whether morally good or not.

In (Heb. 8:12-13) the old covenant is the Mosaic Covenant. The cessation of the Mosaic Covenant does not affect Noah's prophecy in (Gen. 9:24-27) as it is not part of the Mosaic Covenant.

Lees

 

[Hadassah]

@Hadassah concerning posts #(31-32)

You still don't answer my questions. Why?

You want to gloss over your ignorance of the Bible by presenting empty voluminous posts. You stated in post #(28) that God would not permit Israel to take others of another race as slaves. Which was an error on your part based upon your ignorance of Scripture. I showed you that God did command Israel to take slaves of other races. (Lev. 45:-46) Will you address your error? Will you admit you didn't know what you were talking about?

Do you believe (Gen. 9:24-27)?

Do you believe (Acts 16:6-20)

Moses taking an Ethiopian woman as wife, and the conversion of the Ethiopian eunuch, doesn't change Noah's prophecy in (Gen. 9:24-27). And the Church being mainly Gentile does not affect Noah's prophecy in (Gen. 9:24-27)

The Church is not Israel. It is a distinct separate body of believers made up of Jews and Gentiles. The Gentiles are not grafted into Israel. They are grafted into the Olive Tree which represents the Abrahamic Covenant, which Israel also will be grafted in again. (Rom. 11:24) That will occur after the 'fullness of the Gentiles' is complete in the Church. (Rom. 11:25)

Again, show me where I am against (Micah) and (Obadiah). Give me the chapter and verses you allude to in (Micah) where he addresses the New Covenant. And, again, why wouldn't I believe (Rev. 14)?

Israel ceased to be the nation God intended it to be after the Babylonian captivity. She was/is under the judgement of God. That didn't change God's purpose for Israel. That didn't change the geographical location of Israel as the nation of God. Pick up a concordance, I know it's heavy, and look up Israel and see how many times it is addressed in the Gospels.

My racism and hatred? Please. Your accusations have little affect when your ignorance of the Bible is so displayed. And when called into question, you avoid the questions.

Concerning (Rom. 2), it does not remove or even address (Gen. 9:24-27). It addresses the guilt and judgement to come for all men whether Jew or Gentile. Whether under the Mosaic Law or not. Whether morally good or not.

In (Heb. 8:12-13) the old covenant is the Mosaic Covenant. The cessation of the Mosaic Covenant does not affect Noah's prophecy in (Gen. 9:24-27) as it is not part of the Mosaic Covenant.

Lees

Christ does too, affect Genesis and Noah's curse on his son. Christ makes all in Him a new creation. I answered you over and over concerning your hang up on the 3 Genesis verses. You really hang your hat on those 3 verses. You seem to think it transcends for as long as this earth stands. Noah gets ticked and forever blacks are slaves. Lol! As I said, curses don't stand with Christ.

The OC is obsolete just as Hebrews says. I notice a backward pattern here for one who says he is Christian you want to make the NC subject to the old. Don't think so. Keep dreaming. The NC doesn't serve the old, the older covenant serves the younger one. You got Leah first but the youngrr is more beautiful and desirable and is what will bring joy to Jacob at the end of his labor. The older will serve the younger, the mystery of Esau and Jacob is revealed concerning the covenants.

No generational curses stick with Christ. As I said, the Messiah has already come, He sets the captives free. The chains of sin removed. All things are made new in Him.

The OC will completely fade away soon. Hence, the meaning of " the end of the age". Bye,bye gone! All who are in the OC practices die with them when the Lord comes out of His dwelling- 6th Seal. Afterwards a time of peace for the elect from among both Jew and gentile. Christ's millennial reign follows and those from the land of Cush will come with gifts to Zion where the Lord God again will be over His people cloud by day fire by night. It will happen after the shortening of these days of tribulation which have already begun. Like a woman's labor, the tribulation will grow and get greater, till the whole world is in the thralls of it.

There's a practice I know of by those who think they know the scriptures. It is assuming an identity in order to assimilate. It is an Esther thingy. However, though the loathing Jew thinks that is applicable to destroy the gentile, it is wicked!

See, they think the OC is applicable and justify their bad behavior by the righteous behavior of OC patriarchs and matriarchs. They think, that if anyone says those practices are bad, they are saying the OC was bad. No! The OC way was not bad. Those who loathe Christ, their misappropriation of OC practices is. Timing is everything my man. The timing is bad. It's like seeing someone in period costume, they misappropriate the attire in time. Hence, OC practices in a NC time. It is foolish. The Messiah already came and no amount of crypto Jew practices will change the Truth of Christianity.

 

[Lees]

@Hadassah concerning post #(35).

No. The salvation that Christ implemented upon the fallen human race did not remove the blessings and curses of (Gen. 9:24-27). It provided a salvation for every individual in that fallen race. But it never removed the blessings and curses upon said race. Mankind would still be divided in accordance to the three sons of Noah, and the blessings and curses given.

All things are new for the individual in Christ. They remain the same for fallen mankind. And the three divisions remain the same as given in (Gen. 9:24-27).

Again, the Old Covenant is the Mosaic Covenant. The New Covenant is new in relation to the Old or Mosaic Covenant. (Jer. 31:31-32) "Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt:..."

Do you see? The Mosaic Covenant was started in (Exodus 20) It was/is the Law. The only thing that would pass away due to the New Covenant, would be the Mosaic Covenant. Nothing else would pass away unless it specifically stated that it did.

The prophecy of (Gen. 3:15) concerning the Seed who should come did not pass away. All prophecies in the Old Testament did not pass away. They either were fulfilled or remain to be fulfilled. The Covenant God made with Abraham is still in affect. The land, nation, seed, blessings and curses, are still in place. They are still viable, of which the Church benefits with the New Covenant. Of which Israel will one day fulfill completely. (Gen. 12:1-7)

Lees

 

[Hadassah]

@Hadassah concerning post #(35).

No. The salvation that Christ implemented upon the fallen human race did not remove the blessings and curses of (Gen. 9:24-27). It provided a salvation for every individual in that fallen race. But it never removed the blessings and curses upon said race. Mankind would still be divided in accordance to the three sons of Noah, and the blessings and curses given.

All things are new for the individual in Christ. They remain the same for fallen mankind. And the three divisions remain the same as given in (Gen. 9:24-27).

Again, the Old Covenant is the Mosaic Covenant. The New Covenant is new in relation to the Old or Mosaic Covenant. (Jer. 31:31-32) "Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt:..."

Do you see? The Mosaic Covenant was started in (Exodus 20) It was/is the Law. The only thing that would pass away due to the New Covenant, would be the Mosaic Covenant. Nothing else would pass away unless it specifically stated that it did.

The prophecy of (Gen. 3:15) concerning the Seed who should come did not pass away. All prophecies in the Old Testament did not pass away. They either were fulfilled or remain to be fulfilled. The Covenant God made with Abraham is still in affect. The land, nation, seed, blessings and curses, are still in place. They are still viable, of which the Church benefits with the New Covenant. Of which Israel will one day fulfill completely. (Gen. 12:1-7)

Lees

Weird. Yes He did and does remove the curses. It is prophesied throughout the OT and is proven with the NT. Don't know what gospel you are preaching but it's certainly not the gospel of Jesus Christ. As I said weird! No amount of false interpretation of scripture by you will make void the promise to my father Abraham, Jacob and Isaac. That promise was first spoken to the serpent. It is being reiterated to you now! Christ is crushing the serpents head till all curses be erased from among His elect. They will only be upon the brood of vipers. I got your number and it won't be any number placed on me but meaning God has your days numbered.

 

[Lees]

Weird. Yes He did and does remove the curses. It is prophesied throughout the OT and is proven with the NT. Don't know what gospel you are preaching but it's certainly not the gospel of Jesus Christ. As I said weird! No amount of false interpretation of scripture by you will make void the promise to my father Abraham, Jacob and Isaac. That promise was first spoken to the serpent. It is being reiterated to you now! Christ is crushing the serpents head till all curses be erased from among His elect. They will only be upon the brood of vipers. I got your number and it won't be any number placed on me but meaning God has your days numbered.

I showed you in Scripture that the blessings and curses remain. As usual, you ignore the Scripture given and simply step up on your stump and start your rant.

Nothing is false based upon your word. And up to this time, that is all you offer.

As to (Gen. 3:15), it doesn't matter who it was addressed to. The point is, it didn't go away as the Law did. Point being, only the Mosaic Law goes away. Leaving (Gen. 9:24-27) still in place.

Your ignorance and misuse of Scripture is appalling.

Sorry to disappoint you, but God has everybody's days numbered. I am quite comfortable to go whenever He so decides.

Lees

 

[Hadassah]

I showed you in Scripture that the blessings and curses remain. As usual, you ignore the Scripture given and simply step up on your stump and start your rant.

Nothing is false based upon your word. And up to this time, that is all you offer.

As to (Gen. 3:15), it doesn't matter who it was addressed to. The point is, it didn't go away as the Law did. Point being, only the Mosaic Law goes away. Leaving (Gen. 9:24-27) still in place.

Your ignorance and misuse of Scripture is appalling.

Sorry to disappoint you, but God has everybody's days numbered. I am quite comfortable to go whenever He so decides.

Lees

Yeah . And I told you, those in Christ are not under any curse of any law. " It is completion"! Christ paid it all. With what you teach shows you are outside of Christ. You want curses have them. You can disagree with me. Like I said, we will definitely find out.

 

[Hadassah]

I showed you in Scripture that the blessings and curses remain. As usual, you ignore the Scripture given and simply step up on your stump and start your rant.

Nothing is false based upon your word. And up to this time, that is all you offer.

As to (Gen. 3:15), it doesn't matter who it was addressed to. The point is, it didn't go away as the Law did. Point being, only the Mosaic Law goes away. Leaving (Gen. 9:24-27) still in place.

Your ignorance and misuse of Scripture is appalling.

Sorry to disappoint you, but God has everybody's days numbered. I am quite comfortable to go whenever He so decides.

Lees

Okaaaay??? So, why of all the curses including the ones of Deuteronomy alllll go away concerning the faithful but the curse of Gen. 9:24-27 remains for blacks, Christian and/or otherwise? You do know Genesis is attributed to Moses concerning authorship? It was given to him to know the account of those before him. Enoch's book is the earliest written account. The curse was only upon the youngest son. You're just a racist applying a personal sin and curse for his perceived shame of his father's nakedness upon all blacks. It wasn't even a generational curse it was for Canaan only. This discussion acknowledging your ridiculous racist rants, I will no longer participate in.