Is Ukraine Aid a Jobs Program?

[Hadassah]

I read Scripture and Scripture is against you. And I asked you to prove otherwise, and you don't, because you can't. And no, you didn't show me that Russia in the book of Daniel is the 'Bear'. As I proved, (Dan. 7:5) identifies Medo-Persia as the 'Bear'. It is the second metal of (Dan. 2:39). The second beast, the 'Bear' in (Dan. 7:5). It is identified specifically in (Dan. 8:20-21) as Medo-Persia being conquered by the third metal/kingdom, Greece. Just as it happened 'historically'.

When you want to exercise certain 'authority' of just saying something and people should believe because you said it, you take on an authority that is not yours to take. Jesus certainly had that authority, you do not. You must base your opinions on Scripture and show how you arrived at that. Which, so far, you refuse to do, and most likely because you can't do.

Lees

Daniel 7:5 says nothing about Medo Persia. Again you, with your interp are saying Daniel's dream is about Neb's. I am saying Daniel's dream is about nations which come after. They are the result of Rome and yes proof of that is in the feet of Neb's statue. Who is the iron in the statue?

The clay and iron that does not mix is the last kingdom. The nations of Daniel's dream come from that and bring forth the biotech of our time but first they became established nations. The wings are America plucked off the lion.

England thought itself invincible. Read the history. They were lifted off the ground of America and never thought it would happen. The king and nation are just men. Is the point of Daniel 7. The leopard are the Reichs which rose in Europe...etc.... as I said.

You mixing everything with Neb's statue is simply your opinion. Neb's statue is the stepping off point for Daniel's dream, as I said . Interestingly, the feet -iron and clay prove Rome's political system spread throughout the earth, The nations that would follow later-Europe, America, Russia , China -would have different Roman principles incorporated into their governments. Blessings.

 

[Hadassah]

The sad truth, however, is that Russia will "overtake" (i.e. defeat) Ukraine regardless of whether we send more money and equipment...or not.

Putin is willing to throw whatever resources are needed for victory at this war effort, and Ukraine simply cannot keep up. In fact, she barely is hanging on as it is, and this despite a heroic effort earlier on, when she had the troops necessary to accomplish that.

West Broke Its 'No NATO Expansion' Promise of 1990 – Moscow

Uproar by the West about Russia 'violating' international agreements dominates the headlines, but Moscow has its own axe to grind, as it claims it was given a promise that NATO would not move an inch

rumble.com

 

[Hadassah]

I know there are many new "Fact Checker" sites out there. They popped up during Covid . Yet prior to 2020 you could find news articles and videos on Putin's concern over Nato expansion. Who are the " Fact Checkers "and where do they come from? ......things that make you go hmmmmm

 

[Hadassah]

This is the forum on politics. Not on prophecy or scripture. I didn't read any of replies because they didn't answer my question.

Whatever God wills to happen will happen. We are to wait for His return, preach the Gospel and make disciple of Christ. That is our charge and our calling. If the Ukraine/Russia war is the beginning of the end of the age then so be it. Even so come quickly, Lord Jesus.

My question was political in nature.

The fact is the US has "given" Ukraine thousands of Javelin anti-tank missiles, Bradley Fighting Vehicles, artillery, small arms, drones, and even a few M-1 Tanks. We (the USA) are currently training Ukraine Pilots how to fly F-16's. All of that equipment was manufactured in the United States by US citizens. Here is an old article. (published in 2022). I'm sure the list has grown dramatically since this was published.

Here is a more recent article. Of the money spent on Ukraine 35% has gone to prop up Ukraine's economy. 65% has went to direct aide, training, and weapons.

Many people complain about giving Ukraine billions of dollars in aid. i think many of these people think we are writing checks to Ukraine that they can spend however they want. While that may be partially true. There is still a ton of checks being written to US Defense Contractors.

I'm sure that there is waste and fraud. There always is.

Ok, waste and fraud.....and? That is the nature of war and why war mongers love it so much. Are you going to do something about it? Can you? Caesar will do whatever he wants with your tax payer dollars. Maybe throw another Tea Party

Really though, this is just chasing the dragon. There will be no changing the greed and evils of war. This war is unjust and unfair to the Ukraine people. They are fighting a war provoked by the west. The oath takers of the bizarre covenant they are in can't even help themselves. The spirit that moves them is anti- Christ. It will result in the annihilation of many nations. The elites will be in their nest in the stars and / or their amazing bunkers. The rest of us will have to enter the Ark of God's covenant with prayer and supplication while others yet, go Mad Max!

 

[Lees]

Daniel 7:5 says nothing about Medo Persia. Again you, with your interp are saying Daniel's dream is about Neb's. I am saying Daniel's dream is about nations which come after. They are the result of Rome and yes proof of that is in the feet of Neb's statue. Who is the iron in the statue?

The clay and iron that does not mix is the last kingdom. The nations of Daniel's dream come from that and bring forth the biotech of our time but first they became established nations. The wings are America plucked off the lion.

England thought itself invincible. Read the history. They were lifted off the ground of America and never thought it would happen. The king and nation are just men. Is the point of Daniel 7. The leopard are the Reichs which rose in Europe...etc.... as I said.

You mixing everything with Neb's statue is simply your opinion. Neb's statue is the stepping off point for Daniel's dream, as I said . Interestingly, the feet -iron and clay prove Rome's political system spread throughout the earth, The nations that would follow later-Europe, America, Russia , China -would have different Roman principles incorporated into their governments. Blessings.

Daniel's dream/vision in (Dan. 2) was the same dream Nebuchadnezzar had. It had to be in order for Daniel to reveal the dream to Nebuchadnezzar. (Dan. 2:19) (Dan. 2:31) That vision of both Daniel and Nebuchadnezzar showed four Gentile empires listed in succession. One after the other. (2:39) And Daniel identified Nebuchadnezzar and Babylon as the head of gold. (Dan. 2:38)

Thus you have: 1.) Babylon as the head of gold. 2.) Medo-Persia as the breast and arms of silver. 3.) Greece as the belly and thighs of brass. 4.) Rome as the legs of iron and feet of iron and clay. 5.) You then have the Kingdom of God coming upon the earth. (Dan. 2:36-45)

Daniel's dream/vision in (Dan. 7) deals with the same time period in Daniel's vision in chapter (Dan. 2), It is the 'Time of the Gentiles'. Only instead of described in metals of value, it is described as carnivorous beasts.

Thus you have: 1.) Babylon as the lion. 2). Medo-Persia as the bear. 3.) Greece as the Leopard. 4.) Rome as the iron beast. 5.) You then have the Kingdom of God coming upon the earth. (Dan. 7:1-14)

In (Dan. 8) you have the second and third kingdoms identified. The Ram was Medo-Persia and the Goat was Greece. And Greece defeated the Medo-Persians. You yourself identified this in your post #(2).

Therefore, the bear in (Dan. 7:5) is Medo-Persia. Not Russia, as you claim.

Well, yes, it is my and others interpretation....based upon Scripture. Which I have showed you. Your 'interpretation' cannot be followed because you don't give the Scripture for which you base it on. That way you can wax eloquently without being accountable.

Lees

 

[Hadassah]

Daniel's dream/vision in (Dan. 2) was the same dream Nebuchadnezzar had. It had to be in order for Daniel to reveal the dream to Nebuchadnezzar. (Dan. 2:19) (Dan. 2:31) That vision of both Daniel and Nebuchadnezzar showed four Gentile empires listed in succession. One after the other. (2:39) And Daniel identified Nebuchadnezzar and Babylon as the head of gold. (Dan. 2:38)

Thus you have: 1.) Babylon as the head of gold. 2.) Medo-Persia as the breast and arms of silver. 3.) Greece as the belly and thighs of brass. 4.) Rome as the legs of iron and feet of iron and clay. 5.) You then have the Kingdom of God coming upon the earth. (Dan. 2:36-45)

Daniel's dream/vision in (Dan. 7) deals with the same time period in Daniel's vision in chapter (Dan. 2), It is the 'Time of the Gentiles'. Only instead of described in metals of value, it is described as carnivorous beasts.

Thus you have: 1.) Babylon as the lion. 2). Medo-Persia as the bear. 3.) Greece as the Leopard. 4.) Rome as the iron beast. 5.) You then have the Kingdom of God coming upon the earth. (Dan. 7:1-14)

In (Dan. 8) you have the second and third kingdoms identified. The Ram was Medo-Persia and the Goat was Greece. And Greece defeated the Medo-Persians. You yourself identified this in your post #(2).

Therefore, the bear in (Dan. 7:5) is Medo-Persia. Not Russia, as you claim.

Well, yes, it is my and others interpretation....based upon Scripture. Which I have showed you. Your 'interpretation' cannot be followed because you don't give the Scripture for which you base it on. That way you can wax eloquently without being accountable.

Lees

No, Daniel's dream was not the same as Neb's. Not even the same imagery. God showed Daniel in a night vision Neb's dream according to Daniel chapter 2. It was not what you say. Daniel's own dream of furture kingdoms was not an interpretation of someone else's but is his own dream given to him by God. Like really? are you serious? Two different dreams and Daniel told Neb his dream as Neb saw it because Daniel saw it as Neb saw it, not a completely different night vision.

Just curious, when you joined this forum ( if you joined it really that is) did you say you believe in the Nicene Creed? You had to say yes to enter, yet you are highly suspect....... Things that make you go hmmmm .....

Not complicated. Why you are mashing up two different dreams with two different accounts of world history is just beyond me. The plain and simple text of the accounts is clear- two separate dreams. Neb didn't dream Daniel's dream but Daniel certainly saw his.

I'm done with this silly run around, you know how to read this is just mischievous denial of facts. What your purpose for doing it is, is something only God knows. Denying the obvious is an indication of something foul amuck. I'm done answering all this whack-a-mole nonsense.

Blessing.

 

[Hadassah]

Ok, waste and fraud.....and? That is the nature of war and why war mongers love it so much. Are you going to do something about it? Can you? Caesar will do whatever he wants with your tax payer dollars. Maybe throw another Tea Party

Really though, this is just chasing the dragon. There will be no changing the greed and evils of war. This war is unjust and unfair to the Ukraine people. They are fighting a war provoked by the west. The oath takers of the bizarre covenant they are in can't even help themselves. The spirit that moves them is anti- Christ. It will result in the annihilation of many nations. The elites will be in their nest in the stars and / or their amazing bunkers. The rest of us will have to enter the Ark of God's covenant with prayer and supplication while others yet, go Mad Max!

Because I want to elaborate....That old cliche "their chickens have come home to roost" is an applicable adage. Why? Well, in the Book of Daniel it says " the king of the north will come to hate the holy covenant" that means at some point he didn't. Now, Putin is part of the " big boys" club, he knows how to play the game. It is reported that Putin threw out the zionist bankers from Russia after clearing up all debts, has made homosexuality illegal, is prolife, was baptized by way of the Orthodox Russian Church. He was a KGB agent at one time, his father was a Bolshevik...... I think Putin was/is trying to erase past wrongs. But like so many well meaning people, when the trial by fire comes, which proves every man's faith at some point, he will turn from the faith because he isn't going to get what he thinks he should out of it.

The false zionist are actually satanist. Nothing they do serves God but self. By calling themselves "zionist" ( little z I use) they think that makes them justified yet they do not standi with Christ ( Rev. 14) on Zion. Those people in Rev. 14 are not liars and follow the Lamb wherever He goes. They follow His religion.
The little z's ideology is smack because Micah 3 is clear about building Zion with blood ....... unacceptable.

Putin will have had enough of religion, Christianity is too hard for hardened men. It requires a soft heart and a willingness to give up oneself for God. Camels don't pass through eyes of needles.....men of great wealth will not give it up to serve God. He does not realize, it is by bending knees that kings go from boys to men. God bless the saints, true kings!

 

[Hadassah]

Because I want to elaborate....That old cliche "their chickens have come home to roost" is an applicable adage. Why? Well, in the Book of Daniel it says " the king of the north will come to hate the holy covenant" that means at some point he didn't. Now, Putin is part of the " big boys" club, he knows how to play the game. It is reported that Putin threw out the zionist bankers from Russia after clearing up all debts, has made homosexuality illegal, is prolife, was baptized by way of the Orthodox Russian Church. He was a KGB agent at one time, his father was a Bolshevik...... I think Putin was/is trying to erase past wrongs. But like so many well meaning people, when the trial by fire comes, which proves every man's faith at some point, he will turn from the faith because he isn't going to get what he thinks he should out of it.

The false zionist are actually satanist. Nothing they do serves God but self. By calling themselves "zionist" ( little z I use) they think that makes them justified yet they do not standi with Christ ( Rev. 14) on Zion. Those people in Rev. 14 are not liars and follow the Lamb wherever He goes. They follow His religion.
The little z's ideology is smack because Micah 3 is clear about building Zion with blood ....... unacceptable.

Putin will have had enough of religion, Christianity is too hard for hardened men. It requires a soft heart and a willingness to give up oneself for God. Camels don't pass through eyes of needles.....men of great wealth will not give it up to serve God. He does not realize, it is by bending knees that kings go from boys to men. God bless the saints, true kings!

 

[Lees]

No, Daniel's dream was not the same as Neb's. Not even the same imagery. God showed Daniel in a night vision Neb's dream according to Daniel chapter 2. It was not what you say. Daniel's own dream of furture kingdoms was not an interpretation of someone else's but is his own dream given to him by God. Like really? are you serious? Two different dreams and Daniel told Neb his dream as Neb saw it because Daniel saw it as Neb saw it, not a completely different night vision.

Just curious, when you joined this forum ( if you joined it really that is) did you say you believe in the Nicene Creed? You had to say yes to enter, yet you are highly suspect....... Things that make you go hmmmm .....

Not complicated. Why you are mashing up two different dreams with two different accounts of world history is just beyond me. The plain and simple text of the accounts is clear- two separate dreams. Neb didn't dream Daniel's dream but Daniel certainly saw his.

I'm done with this silly run around, you know how to read this is just mischievous denial of facts. What your purpose for doing it is, is something only God knows. Denying the obvious is an indication of something foul amuck. I'm done answering all this whack-a-mole nonsense.

Blessing.

Daniel's dream had to the be same dream given to Nebuchadnezzar or else he could not have told him the dream. And Nebuchadnezzar demanded the dream be told him first, and then the interpretation. (Dan. 2:9) (Dan. 2:26) He had enough sense to know that anyone can give an interpretation of some dream presented them. But to show him the dream first would give credibility to the interpretation.

Daniel's dream was the same as Nebuchadnezzar's. But with it Daniel was given the ability to interpret the dream. It was an interpretation of the dream that Nebuchadnezzar had.

Yes I joined this forum..really. Yes, I said I believe the Nicen Creed? Why am I highly suspect?

I'm not mashing up anything. We have been talking about three dream/visions. Nebuchadnezzar's in (Dan. 2:1-2). Daniel's in (Dan. 2:31-45). And Daniel's in (Dan. 7:1-28)

My purpose was given in my post #(7). You identified the 'Bear' in the book of (Daniel) as Russia. I disagreed and have attempted to show you your error, and that Medo-Persia is identified as the 'Bear'.

You have very strong views about the end time events, which is good. It is beyond me why you do not use and show the Scripture to support your views. It's my opinion, that if you did, some of your views would change.

Lees

 

[Hadassah]

Daniel's dream had to the be same dream given to Nebuchadnezzar or else he could not have told him the dream. And Nebuchadnezzar demanded the dream be told him first, and then the interpretation. (Dan. 2:9) (Dan. 2:26) He had enough sense to know that anyone can give an interpretation of some dream presented them. But to show him the dream first would give credibility to the interpretation.

Daniel's dream was the same as Nebuchadnezzar's. But with it Daniel was given the ability to interpret the dream. It was an interpretation of the dream that Nebuchadnezzar had.

Yes I joined this forum..really. Yes, I said I believe the Nicen Creed? Why am I highly suspect?

I'm not mashing up anything. We have been talking about three dream/visions. Nebuchadnezzar's in (Dan. 2:1-2). Daniel's in (Dan. 2:31-45). And Daniel's in (Dan. 7:1-28)

My purpose was given in my post #(7). You identified the 'Bear' in the book of (Daniel) as Russia. I disagreed and have attempted to show you your error, and that Medo-Persia is identified as the 'Bear'.

You have very strong views about the end time events, which is good. It is beyond me why you do not use and show the Scripture to support your views. It's my opinion, that if you did, some of your views would change.

Lees

Whack-a-mole! Believe what you will. " I know MINE and MINE know me". Blinded eyes of some is a hallmark of those at God's left hand pertaining to goats-vessels of wrath. I'll let the reader make up his or her own mind which of us that is. I would not want to be accused of accusations, true or otherwise. As the saying goes " they call good evil and evil good" let the reader decide and God judge.
" Cast not pearl before swine otherwise they will turn and sneer at you and tear you to pieces". The demoniac with many demons had them cast out and they went into the swine. That is indication of a certain type of people concerning the parable of the swine.

People that God calls swine are not possessed. Possession happens to people who make mistakes not do things on purpose, usually due to lack of knowledge of God's wiil. Hence, possession. The possessed can be freed.

However, people who God calls swine, have welcomed the unclean spirit due to a loathing of God, not a mistake in behavior. It is before them that no more answer or sharing of gifts be given because they are irredeemable. No casting out the demons they covet because they love evil. Let the reader decide. Ciao!

 

[Lamb]

Whack-a-mole! Believe what you will. " I know MINE and MINE know me". Blinded eyes of some is a hallmark of those at God's left hand pertaining to goats-vessels of wrath. I'll let the reader make up his or her own mind which of us that is. I would not want to be accused of accusations, true or otherwise. As the saying goes " they call good evil and evil good" let the reader decide and God judge.
" Cast not pearl before swine otherwise they will turn and sneer at you and tear you to pieces". The demoniac with many demons had them cast out and they went into the swine. That is indication of a certain type of people concerning the parable of the swine.

People that God calls swine are not possessed. Possession happens to people who make mistakes not do things on purpose, usually due to lack of knowledge of God's wiil. Hence, possession. The possessed can be freed.

However, people who God calls swine, have welcomed the unclean spirit due to a loathing of God, not a mistake in behavior. It is before them that no more answer or sharing of gifts be given because they are irredeemable. No casting out the demons they covet because they love evil. Let the reader decide. Ciao!

I don't understand why you have responded like this. Where did any member call God swine?

 

[Hadassah]

I don't understand why you have responded like this. Where did any member call God swine?

No member called God swine. It's about not casting pearl before swine. It is about the obvious and how a certain type denies the obvious in the face of truth. Then they will rip all you say to pieces. They pretext all your context and add things that are not true about something you put forth. Tell you, you are wrong ( sneer at you) and tear you/your pearls (gifts in spiritual knowledge/ revelations given), to pieces.

They don't prove you wrong they just double down on their obvious lie. Afterward, I decided to share what the parable of the swine meant. I said let the reader decide who is what. I made no accusations and never said anyone called God swine.

 

[Hadassah]

Stalled US aid for Ukraine underscores GOP's shift away from confronting Russia

Republicans have been softening their stance on Russia ever since Donald Trump won the 2016 presidential election following Russian hacking of his Democratic opponents

abcnews.go.com

 

[Lamb]

No member called God swine. It's about not casting pearl before swine. It is about the obvious and how a certain type denies the obvious in the face of truth. Then they will rip all you say to pieces. They pretext all your context and add things that are not true about something you put forth. Tell you, you are wrong ( sneer at you) and tear you/your pearls (gifts in spiritual knowledge/ revelations given), to pieces.

They don't prove you wrong they just double down on their obvious lie. Afterward, I decided to share what the parable of the swine meant. I said let the reader decide who is what. I made no accusations and never said anyone called God swine.

Oops, I apparently misread your post. Sorry!

 

[Hadassah]

Oops, I apparently misread your post. Sorry!

Oops, I apparently misread your post. Sorry!

Oops, double quote. Don't worry about it. It happens on forums all the time especially when you do a lot of reading. Blessings!

 

[Lees]

Oops, I apparently misread your post. Sorry!

Actually, who could read it and understand it?

Lees

 

[Lanman87]

They are fighting a war provoked by the west.

That is a lie. The US did not promise to not expand NATO. That is Russian Propaganda.

Yes, it is unjust. It was unjust of Russia to try to impose its will on another country. If Ukraine wants to join NATO and the EU then it has the right to do so, provided the member countries agree. Russia has no say in the matter.

 

[Hadassah]

That is a lie. The US did not promise to not expand NATO. That is Russian Propaganda.

Yes, it is unjust. It was unjust of Russia to try to impose its will on another country. If Ukraine wants to join NATO and the EU then it has the right to do so, provided the member countries agree. Russia has no say in the matter.

How do you know you are not promoting NATO Propaganda? Honestly, I know there isn't anything I can do other than pray. Let's get real though, Russia will give its citizens it's narrative, America and NATO their narrative. You heard the devil is in the details, well the truth on the matter is in scripture. Either way, whether NATO be full of it or Russia, unless YOU have a nuclear proof bunker, you and every common man will be in the thralls of this poop show. Unless you are a mental case, whatever side you are for, to encourage peace talks and rational policy making is in the best interest of humanity. Mutual guaranteed annihilation means, your citizens, (not the bunker and nest in the star dwellers) die. You don't win, I don't win. So, whatever! At this point what does it matter? Russia will not give NATO and the US control and vice versa.

It is unjust for Russia to impose its will on another country????You would be saying the opposite if you were in Russia. But oh no, America doesn't impose its will on anyone yet it has been in the business of nation redesign for a long time now. No one else has been toppling kings in the name of democracy in recent decades. The world hasn't gotten any better for. Hence, here we are at the brink of nuclear war. The winner always sets the narrative standard. Even recorded promises mean nothing because you feel you are on the winning side. Yeah, poke the bear.......

 

[Lanman87]

How do you know you are not promoting NATO Propaganda? Honestly, I know there isn't anything I can do other than pray. Let's get real though, Russia will give its citizens it's narrative, America and NATO their narrative. You heard the devil is in the details, well the truth on the matter is in scripture. Either way, whether NATO be full of it or Russia, unless YOU have a nuclear proof bunker, you and every common man will be in the thralls of this poop show. Unless you are a mental case, whatever side you are for, to encourage peace talks and rational policy making is in the best interest of humanity. Mutual guaranteed annihilation means, your citizens, (not the bunker and nest in the star dwellers) die. You don't win, I don't win. So, whatever! At this point what does it matter? Russia will not give NATO and the US control and vice versa.

It is unjust for Russia to impose its will on another country????You would be saying the opposite if you were in Russia. But oh no, America doesn't impose its will on anyone yet it has been in the business of nation redesign for a long time now. No one else has been toppling kings in the name of democracy in recent decades. The world hasn't gotten any better for. Hence, here we are at the brink of nuclear war. The winner always sets the narrative standard. Even recorded promises mean nothing because you feel you are on the winning side. Yeah, poke the bear.......

So you think Russia has the right to tell Ukraine that it can't join NATO. And invade and attack it if Ukraine doesn't do what it says?

Edit to add: It would be equally as wrong if Ukraine had said they want to join Russia and NATO invaded to keep them from doing it.

If it is the end of the age then so be it. There is nothing I can do about it.

 

[Hadassah]

So you think Russia has the right to tell Ukraine that it can't join NATO. And invade and attack it if Ukraine doesn't do what it says?

Edit to add: It would be equally as wrong if Ukraine had said they want to join Russia and NATO invaded to keep them from doing it.

If it is the end of the age then so be it. There is nothing I can do about it.

Ok, I think Cuba should join Russia, how about Mexico too, add Canada maybe.....

Ukraine was to remain neutral Russia agreed to leave it alone as long as it did not join NATO. Nato is too close to the Russian border with adding Ukraine. It was expansion that started this.

Listen, I get your point and honestly I think all these players are off their flippin rockers. They are all wolf packs with the same desires -having, keeping and gaining more power at the expense of all of us. NATO is peeing along Russia's border as far as Russia is concerned , that wolf pack doesn't like it. Honestly, I think men's self intrest and exploits suck! I dont think when power grab is your motive civilians ever fair well.

If Russia wanted to go right through it would have already. Since no deal will be had and Ukraine wants to join NATO, Russia will continue.That's my two cents.