Oneness--coexistent modalism as the true Trinity

[Lees]

How was He begotten at the resurrection? What, exactly, took place that you define as Him being begotten?

Do you doubt (Ps. 2:7) and (Acts 13:33)?

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[justbyfaith]

The Son was never begotten.

The most basic of scriptures (John 3:16) tells everyone otherwise.

Why you would deny the teaching of such an integral verse is beyond me.

 

[justbyfaith]

How was He begotten at the resurrection? What, exactly, took place that you define as Him being begotten?

Do you doubt (Ps. 2:7) and (Acts 13:33)?

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Answer the question.

 

[Lees]

At the resurrection, you say?

A cherry picker.

No. The Son was born into the race at the incarnation. I have always said that. Why do you ask again? Confused?

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[Lees]

The most basic of scriptures (John 3:16) tells everyone otherwise.

Why you would deny the teaching of such an integral verse is beyond me.

How does (John 3:16) say otherwise?

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[justbyfaith]

A cherry picker.

No. The Son was born into the race at the incarnation. I have always said that. Why do you ask again? Confused?

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So, He was begotten in the incarnation. Because you have admitted that "begotten" means to be "born of".

 

[justbyfaith]

How does (John 3:16) say otherwise?

Lees

ROTFL. Read it.

 

[Lees]

Answer the question.

Again, it's not me that is saying it. It is Scripture. (Ps. 2:7) (Acts 13:33)

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[justbyfaith]

Again, it's not me that is saying it. It is Scripture. (Ps. 2:7) (Acts 13:33)

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How was He begotten at the resurrection? What, exactly, took place that you define as Him being begotten?

Answer the question.

 

[Lees]

So, He was begotten in the incarnation. Because you have admitted that "begotten" means to be "born of".

The Son was born into the human race at the incarnation. but the Son as a Man, Jesus Christ, was begotten at the Resurrection. (Ps. 2:7) (Acts 13:33) (Is. 9:6)

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[justbyfaith]

Did Jesus become the Son of God, and therefore God, when He was begotten?

And, was He therefore, not God, beforehand?

 

[Lees]

Answer the question.

When the Holy Spirit raised up the Man Jesus Christ at the Resurrection He forever joined the Son with that Man Jesus Christ, of which God declares, 'this day have I begotten thee'. (Ps. 2:7) (Acts 13:33)

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[justbyfaith]

The Son was born into the human race at the incarnation. but the Son as a Man, Jesus Christ, was begotten at the Resurrection. (Ps. 2:7) (Acts 13:33) (Is. 9:6)

Lees

Suffice it to say that if we define "begotten" as "born" that Jesus was begotten in the incarnation; because He was in fact "born" into the human race at the incarnation.

Case closed.

 

[justbyfaith]

When the Holy Spirit raised up the Man Jesus Christ at the Resurrection He forever joined the Son with that Man Jesus Christ, of which God declares, 'this day have I begotten thee'. (Ps. 2:7) (Acts 13:33)

Lees

No; for Jesus is the Son in that He is come in human flesh. Therefore your statements are redundant.

 

[Lees]

ROTFL. Read it.

I answered your question, now answer mine. How does (John 3:16) say otherwise?

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[justbyfaith]

When the Holy Spirit raised up the Man Jesus Christ at the Resurrection He forever joined the Son with that Man Jesus Christ, of which God declares, 'this day have I begotten thee'. (Ps. 2:7) (Acts 13:33)

Lees

So, you are saying that the Man Christ Jesus was not the Son of God until after the resurrection?

 

[justbyfaith]

I answered your question, now answer mine. How does (John 3:16) say otherwise?

Lees

God very simply said that He gave His only begotten Son.

I find you to be very ridiculous for asking that question.

 

[Lees]

Suffice it to say that if we define "begotten" as "born" that Jesus was begotten in the incarnation; because He was in fact "born" into the human race at the incarnation.

Case closed.

Don't use 'we' in our discussion. As I said, begotten means 'born of'. The Son was never born of. He was always the Son eternally with the Father. The Son as the Man Jesus Christ was declared begotten of God, born of God, at the Resurrection. (Ps. 2:7) (Acts 13:33).

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[Lees]

So, you are saying that the Man Christ Jesus was not the Son of God until after the resurrection?

I have already explained. The Son always existed with the Father eteranlly. Not begotten. The Son as the Man, Jesus Christ, was begotten of God, at the Resurrection. (Ps. 2:7) (Acts 13:33)

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[justbyfaith]

Don't use 'we' in our discussion. As I said, begotten means 'born of'. The Son was never born of. He was always the Son eternally with the Father. The Son as the Man Jesus Christ was declared begotten of God, born of God, at the Resurrection. (Ps. 2:7) (Acts 13:33).

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That is two Gods.

However, if He was begotten in the incarnation (i.e. He is the same Spirit as the Father, albeit come in flesh), then Jesus and the Father are the same God; and therefore we are preaching one God (James 2:19).

Even though Jesus exists side-by-side with the Father in eternity in the Person of the Son.